Next time, try saying so.

It’s pretty obvious I’m not talking about BB

So it's a given that we'll fold to a 4bet. But what about if he defends with a call? Would you rather have KQs or something like JT? It depends how you range him, obviously. But I think their raw equities are pretty close vs his open/call range.

I'm not so much answering as I am encouraging you to think about how to solve this and how to construct raising and calling ranges here against someone competent enough to know you can squeeze here.

it’s not at all obv if this is 1/2 or 1/3 though

On the button against the described V I’d definitely be more inclined just to flat J10s since it plays so well post flop and multi-way

I feel like I’m in these spots a fair amount of the time and I’m not sure there is a “correct” answer. I think it’s okay to have a mixed strategy here as well especially if I play with V a lot.

I could argue that a 3! Is nice as well given that I block quite a bit of his continuing range (AK,AQ, KK,QQ)

Ya good point I apologize.

Yeah, a mixed strategy is fine here. KQs plays just as well postflop and multi-way imo. The one good thing about KQ here is that it blocks a lot of the 4bet shoves. But I'd rather play JT vs a call.

Did I play this OK? 1/3, hero playing $250. Raise AsAd over two limpers to $17, BTN ($100) and one limper (covers) call. Pot $44. Flop: Q-T-6hh. I bet $40, both call. Turn: 3d (pot $184). I jam $210.

Thanks,
DT

Have we seen this guy raise monsters to just $10 in EP? If not, then certainly a 3bet is a possibility.

I'm either/or here. I think if I was OOP / unsuited I'd more lean to the 3bet because I'm cooler with taking down $40 now as I won't be able to play in position / our hand is fairly sucky. Being in position with a nice multiway suited hand, we're ok with seeing a flop here (although taking down $40 preflop ain't horrible either).

Geither/or,imoG

I like getting in 10% of stacks preflop with TP hands that I'll likely not be able to fold preflop so I'd go $20 - $25 targeting the limper stack (but I'm conservative like that).

SPR is a little over 5 against the deeper stack and we've got an overpair on a fairly draw board. We're committed, imo (hence why I like going bigger preflop). This ain't a board we want to play out over 3 streets, so I'd actually overbet the flop to like $65 to setup a ~PSB shove for the turn.

Thankfully we got both of them to call the flop bet so it enables us a more reasonable shove for the turn (which I'm fine with), but I think we have to think about this sizing stuff when we're betting the flop. I mean, a $40 bet into $44 leaves us in a $124 pot HU with an awkward $193 left when committed. Are we overjamming the turn? Are betting like $100 and leaving a lol $93 left in a $324 pot (with a crapload of craptastic cards that could appear on the river)? Is there *really* that big a difference in calling ranges on the flop of a $40 bet vs $65 bet?

Gpokeriseasyifyoumakeitso,imoG

2/5.

New villain just sat down. A few regs at the table openly groan about this guy because he's "too aggressive," so I'm putting him out there as a LAG without knowing anything about him. Buys in for $500, hero covers

Villain raises to $25 from MP, Hero 3B to $75 from CO with AK. Folds back to villain who calls

Flop ($157): 2 5 6

Villain check, hero C-bet $100, villain shoves for $425 total

Running a range of 22, 55, 66, 77-JJ, all SC clubs plus broadway clubs gives me 40% equity here and the odds to call.

Is this too wide of a range?

probably too tight, I don't see T6o in your range.

c-bet $100? yikes

I prefer a check back against described. Call turn, call most rivers.

I prefer using high quality packaging tape to affix my facing out cards to my forehead.

Why are we not c-betting this? After a 3B preflop, any check here by me turns my hand face up to any villain who is going to put my range on JJ+/AK

In committed spots on drawy boards it doesn't matter if we're turning our hand face up. Even though most players will know what is approximately in the pot it's doubtful they've counted to the exact dollar or included rake; there was some limps, some blinds, two callers to a $17 raise: $65 isn't an outrageous amount by any stretch into this pile of chips. No one folds a draw on the flop. TP often doesn't fold on the flop (especially if they have backdoors which they easily could on this board). Maybe we're the ones hammering a draw. In a big SPR non-committed spot, by all means, making a smaller bet than could mean anything is fine.

One of the things that I find interesting about NL is that on any street we're allowed to bet anything from $0 to our stack, and yet for some reason most people think we're confined to like 4x+ny or a 2/3 PSB +/- a dollar or two.

Gbetsizingfails,imoG

It doesn't turn your hand face up if you check back your entire range.

You're checking back JJ and QQ here? Not trying to challenge here, just trying to learn. I can't see how I would ever check those back.

I'd cbet smaller, like $65, or just check behind and take a free card. Are far as cbetting boards go, this is not a very good one. You have no backdoor draws and you can't represent much either.

AP, I let this go.

1/3. Hero playing $300. One EP limp (older white man) and hero has AJo in CO and raises to $13. BTN calls, SB calls, BB (eff. $120) calls, limper calls. Pot $58.

Flop: Jd-Td-3h. Checks to hero who bets $35. All except BTN call. Pot $198. Turn: 6s. Hero bets $80. SB folds, BB AI for less, EP limper c/r to $160. Hero?

Thanks,
DT

Anyone wanna chime in?

I hate the preflop result but I'm assuming we didn't expect that. This actually happens so much at my table that I actually think overlimping in this spot is now fine (whereas before I did think it was an auto-raise).

If everyone is at $120 effective, we could just ship the flop and live with results. If anyone else is at $300 obviously we can't do that. Just a really awkward spot against other bigger stacks thanks to small SPR of 5 (stacks can go in easily) and a drawy board. We're kinda towing this really difficult line of not allowing draws decent odds in a big pot where we're committed against some stacks but not others, and yet at the same time not looking to get committed if we don't feel committed. So I guess I'm cool with the inbetween bet just to see who does what. 3 callers!?!? Lol.

And now in spite of attempting all this we somehow still end up with just over a PSB shove for the turn, lol. I dunno, no draws got there so I guess I'm fine with the bet, although it gives ok odds, but anything more we're kinda leaving too little left (can we actually fold at any point if we stick in much more?).

As played, I guess I fold because it's unlikely the check/raiser is getting out-of-line in a mostly protected pot. It's a strange line, as you'd think monsters on this super wet flop would check/raise the flop, and it's highly unlikely the turn improved him. But check/raises on the turn are just always beating TP in a protected pot. Honestly looks like an overpair to me (flat preflop to see if an overcard comes, flat flop to see if draw completes, then stick it in).

If we folded we probably did about the best we could in a stupid spot, imo.

G"someonealwayshasJTinamultiwaypot"G

This may as well be an end-of-action spot, because if you are putting $80 into the pot now, your remaining $92 is going in on the river. That said, if you are putting more money into the pot, do it in installments, because if you shove, notwithstanding pot size you are still sometimes folding villain's worst hands.

There is $430 in the pot before the villain's raise. Including the villain's expected river shove, you have $172 to call, and the final pot size will be $794 when the dust settles.

You need 21.7% equity to call here. This is a terrible spot for a bluff because of the SB's all-in. The question is, do you beat at least one hand our of five that EP takes this line with? (You also need to worry about how good your hand is vs. the SB.)

FWIW I'm assuming the check/raising villain was $300 effective with us, so going into the turn I'm assuming he has $250 left in this $200 pot. If he only actually has $160 total (and everyone else is in the same ballpark) we might be forced to simply ship and live with results.

GcluelessNLnoobG

V covers hero by about $100. On turn after $80 bet, hero has just shy of $200 behind.

I'm just shoving turn, 80 is offering a pretty good price while simultaneously putting you in an awkward spot for the rest of your stack. In spots like this, where the pot is nearly the size of your stack and you have multiple opponents, hand protection starts to loom large in the calculus. You certainly have some bluffs here, AKdd/AQdd/KQ/etc, but even if you're value-heavy for this shove, it doesn't really matter in view of the equity denial benefit.