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12-02-2018 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Oh, gotcha. Good point. My previous point was bad.

But on the flip side, one of the problems with checking this flop is that we can get blown off our equity by draws that ship on us, whereas on a board with no draws we don't have that concern.

On either board, I like a ship to realize our equity and prevent some villains from realizing theirs.

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Respect for the straight up "previous point was bad", not many people will do that.

Agreed that it's a downside to get blown off our hands. When I think about it, if it's a straight choice between jam and x/f, then all the drawing hands are positives for jam. So I think you're ultimately right that wet board is a positive for jamming, because for that subset of hands, jamming works out a lot better than x/f.
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12-02-2018 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
But on the flip side, one of the problems with checking this flop is that we can get blown off our equity by draws that ship on us, whereas on a board with no draws we don't have that concern.
You noticed it's a multiway pot, right? And we are in worst position, right?

Of course we are going to be blown off of our equity a lot. That's why they call it ghost equity.
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12-02-2018 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
This would also be my take too from what I've witnessed, but interestingly enough I'm not sure most women feel that way (bob_124 has a few ~recent interviews that seem to suggest women poker players feel otherwise).

Gguessyoumayhavetowalkamileintheirheels?G
There is a woman who played disguised as a man who did some recent interviews. I was really excited to hear her thoughts, but I don't think she really knows anything about poker. One of her complaints is that, as a woman, she gets too much action with AA and gets bad beats.

Poker/gambling are great because they are fair. In game, your demo can only give you a disadvantage if players stereotype you and the types are correct. But you can zig and turn that to your advantage.

It's extremely unlikely that your villain is going to decide to be a more effective player because of your demo. They are probably trying about their best to win already.

So, since men do often softplay women, I don't see how it can be anything but an advantage, in game.

Treatment outside of the game is another matter. I had a short term tourist friend this week. She told me at her home casino, someone spread the rumor that she was turning tricks and these old men were coming up to her asking how much for a BJ. While she was here, an older male reg was sending abusive texts about her using a large font while sitting next to her.

At the same time, in discussing the issue, she mentioned the fact that some female players are able to get staked by leading on lonely guys, of which there is an abundant supply in poker.

Cliffs: the cards and chips are what they are, but people do some scummy things.
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12-02-2018 , 10:26 PM
Tournament moves applied at ls nl.
I have a hand to report that I'm more interested to know y'all thoughts more on my thinking behind what I did, rather than how I played each street. If that may sense. Of course, all criticizing is welcome and expected.

1/2 nl casino

Hero, MAWG, who's been playing for the most part tight, but raising at least half the hands he's been involved in.

I'll try to get to the point.

I'm utg 2 and after the guy to my right limps, I make it smaller than usual raise of 10 with AQ
YWG, inexperienced and short stacked(60ish) calls.
YWG, even more inexperienced and extremely short stacked, goes all in for 22. These guys were friends and not topping off.
Folds to limper.
Limper was a semi competent, but more of a guy who learned exclusively by experience and definitely not a student of the game.
After he first sat down and I took a good chunk off him with 2 pair, he's been calling every one of my raises and killing me. He called a 15 raise from me and beat my AK with his Q2, after I had top and he made 2 pair.
We were, none the less, keeping it friendly.
He calls the 22, saying something to the effect of, I'll give you action. Apparently, he totally forgot I was in the hand.
I want the other short stack in, but I'm not going to let this guy off that cheep.
I decide on going all in with my 180, nemesis had me covered.
Other short stack folded. He later claimed he had Jacks. Terrible players.
Folded Jacks with only 60 something. Nemesis folded, but wasn't too happy.
All in kid had 99 and I Turned an Ace and it held.
My question is, are my posts way too long?
And, was it a mistake to go all in?
Should I have just re raised? And if yes, what would have been the best amount?

Sorry guys, will avoid the Novellas in the future.
Thanks!
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12-02-2018 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ES2
... So, since men do often softplay women, I don't see how it can be anything but an advantage, in game.

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Not sure I agree with that being stated as approximately correct.

Nobody in my games seems to softplay women.

YMMV I suppose.
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12-02-2018 , 11:12 PM
Men usually don't softplay women, you're right.
Unless the woman look something like the vlogger Marle.
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12-02-2018 , 11:19 PM
I start hand with 250 at 1-2. Loose player opens for 6, flatted by 3, I’m on button with AQo and 3 bet to 27. Flatted by 5 players(blinds both call) so we see flop of Q-10-5rainbow (pot- shade under 162 due to rake). Checks to me and I Cbet 53. Called by one splashy player who has been very active and on bad laggy side. Turn is a 2? No sure of card but maybe 2 of same suit and I jam to put villian all in (he started hand with roughly 200). Is my Cbet sizing here good? Should it be bigger or is 1/3 pot roughly good? Thanks. We got result we wanted but just wanna check on sizing.

Spoiler:
We are called by KJ with no flush draw and hold


Also due to low spr... are we always stacking off here if not raised by a tight old nit? Everyone in hand started with roughly 200 or less so I feel based on spr, top pair top kicker is a get it in hand. Thanks for feedback.
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12-02-2018 , 11:32 PM
Yes, your post is too long, but it's probably better than too short.

If you're trying to figure out if it's too long, just look at a few of the smaller pieces, and ask your self "does this help people make a better decision".

On the flip side, if it was really short, you should ask you self "is there anything else that would affect their decision?".

Regardless, the 4bet was good. Given your stack size it's probably a fine shove. But if you had more a 4bet to $85 or so would have sufficed.
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12-03-2018 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Yes, your post is too long, but it's probably better than too short.

If you're trying to figure out if it's too long, just look at a few of the smaller pieces, and ask your self "does this help people make a better decision".

On the flip side, if it was really short, you should ask you self "is there anything else that would affect their decision?".

Regardless, the 4bet was good. Given your stack size it's probably a fine shove. But if you had more a 4bet to $85 or so would have sufficed.
All points well taken. I understand, kiss(es) all around(keep it simple stupid)!
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12-03-2018 , 12:15 AM
Buddha and poker.
As Budha was starving himself, living a monastic life, he overheard the music master tell his pupils, "if you tighten the string too much it will break and if you leave it too slack, it won't play".

Finding the right balance is always bathe hardest challenge.

Hey, I saw it in a movie.
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12-03-2018 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
OK got another one. 1/3. V last raised 42dd in LP and I called in BB with 99 and we GII OTR on 5-2-2-9-6 runout. He had 42. He is effective with $160 to start. V raises in MP to $12 and hero 3! $36 in LP with QdQc. Only V calls. Pot $70. Flop: 6-8-2dd. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
Anyone wanna take a crack at this one?
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12-03-2018 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
OK got another one. 1/3. V last raised 42dd in LP and I called in BB with 99 and we GII OTR on 5-2-2-9-6 runout. He had 42. He is effective with $160 to start. V raises in MP to $12 and hero 3! $36 in LP with QdQc. Only V calls. Pot $70. Flop: 6-8-2dd. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
Given the stack sizes, making a small cbet is probably best because that can entice villain to call with all one pair type hands and we can still get stacks in on the turn. If he raises, never fold.

It's rare that you will be behind on this board but if you are you can just chalk it up as a cooler given that villain had to call such a large percentage of his stack preflop and after your cbet he only has like 30 big blinds behind. When I get coolered in spots like that I mostly forget about it shortly after..it's quite insignificant.
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12-03-2018 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Hi all,

1/3. Just sat down at table. Short stack playing $130 raises to $20 in EP. He’s a player from my free poker league. He’s a pretty solid player. Hero has JJ and calls UTG+2. One other player calls too. Pot $60 or so.

Flop: 9-7-3r. V bets $30. Hero calls. Second V folds. Pot $120.

Turn: 8 bringing backdoor flush draw. V jams $85. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
I'm ok with preflop. A solid player really shouldn't be getting too out-of-line preflop with just a $130 stack. I'm hoping my flat will bring along a lot of other players (where I'll then have the odds to setmine) and otherwise I'm just going to see what this guy does postflop.

Solid guy raised preflop with a shortstack from EP then bet into two opponents to put the rest of stacks in play. We beat TT and maybe a frisky AK (is he really this frisky?) and that's simply not enough for me. I fold the flop.

I don't get to the turn but we likely have 6 outs so we need 7:1 to call. We're not getting that.

It really comes down to how often solid players are getting out-of-line here, and my guess is they're simply not at the rate you think they are.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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12-03-2018 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Leobzook
Villain looks and acts very recreational and obviously has not played much poker. He is mid 30s Asian guy. Have not seen him show down any meaningful hands as new to the table. Someone commented how he never folds

Effective stacks $280 at $1/$3

Villain limps hero makes it $20 with AKo in MP everyone else folds

Flop is K 3 7 rainbow pot is $44

Villain bets $30 hero calls

Turn is 4 still rainbow pot is $104

Villain bets $100

Another $152 behind
Decent result preflop although kinda awkwardish SPR on this flop in that stacks can go in pretty easy in an SPR 6 pot and yet against most of the population if they go in on this board you're behind (unless up against KQ). Plus we didn't get in enough of our stack preflop where we should feel comfortable stacking off postflop.

I'm not thrilled when villain donks because my plan was to check behind to bring stacks out of play. I'm also calling and hoping he checks turn so I can check behind to pot control and eke out one more bet that won't be for stacks.

Honestly really hating life when he donks again on the turn. It's a tough spot, imo. The more clueless / recreational he is, the more I guess we gotta at least call the turn, but it's a meh spot.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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12-03-2018 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
OK got another one. 1/3. V last raised 42dd in LP and I called in BB with 99 and we GII OTR on 5-2-2-9-6 runout. He had 42. He is effective with $160 to start. V raises in MP to $12 and hero 3! $36 in LP with QdQc. Only V calls. Pot $70. Flop: 6-8-2dd. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
Thanks to our great preflop result we will never be folding on non-A/K boards. This guy is somewhat active (gambooley?) and only has $124 left in a $70 pot. Board is drawy. Trivial ship for me as no gambooley draw will ever fold for these stack / pot sizes on the flop and even JJ-99 will have trouble making a hero fold (I sometimes check my cards here as if I'm checking for a flush draw in order to help entice all pairs to call).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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12-03-2018 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
OK got another one. 1/3. V last raised 42dd in LP and I called in BB with 99 and we GII OTR on 5-2-2-9-6 runout. He had 42. He is effective with $160 to start. V raises in MP to $12 and hero 3! $36 in LP with QdQc. Only V calls. Pot $70. Flop: 6-8-2dd. Hero?

Thanks,
DT
Cbet 40 and gii.
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12-03-2018 , 02:25 PM
Ok. In order to come back to conformity, here's a more traditional HH.
Hero, mawg, on the tighter side.
Main Villain, 40 something latino.
Villain is quiet, calling station type but not really a fish, in the true sense. Open folded T's to big bet on a 3 way pot with a 4 5 7 flop.
Capable of making a fold.

Eff stack 200, Villain has been catching a lot of rivers and has me covered.
I limp in late position with A9
Pot, 10, multi way
Flop: 256
Checks to me, I bet 10, only villain calls
Turn: 8
Villain checks, Hero bets 30, Villain calls
River: 7
Villain checks
About 90 in pot now,Hero?

Last edited by Nepeeme2008; 12-03-2018 at 02:30 PM.
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12-03-2018 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Ok. In order to come back to conformity, here's a more traditional HH.
Hero, mawg, on the tighter side.
Main Villain, 40 something latino.
Villain is quiet, calling station type but not really a fish, in the true sense. Open folded T's to big bet on a 3 way pot with a 4 5 7 flop.
Capable of making a fold.

Eff stack 200, Villain has been catching a lot of rivers and has me covered.
I limp in late position with ANot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:9Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:
Multi way pot.
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Checks to me, I bet 20, only villain calls
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Villain checks, Hero bets 30, Villain calls
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Villain checks
Hero?
Pre:
Fold >>>>>>> Raise >> Call

Why bet the flop with like no equity in a multiway pot?
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12-03-2018 , 02:29 PM
@ Nepeeme

Fold preflop.

Check/fold flop.

Check/fold turn.

Assuming $120 pot, I probably bet/fold like $40 on the river (targetting two pairs / etc.).

Gyuck,imoG
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12-03-2018 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by stlows
Pre:
Fold >>>>>>> Raise >> Call

Why bet the flop with like no equity in a multiway pot?
Backdoor straight draw?
Position?
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12-03-2018 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
@ Nepeeme

Fold preflop.

Check/fold flop.

Check/fold turn.

Assuming $120 pot, I probably bet/fold like $40 on the river (targetting two pairs / etc.).

Gyuck,imoG
This is why you're the master and I'm the humble pupil.
I have been trying to leave donkyville and get more river value, instead of timidly checking behind on river, like so many times in past.
And that's exactly what I bet, 40, thinking I'm going for value.
Villain tanked for something like 30 seconds and hesitantly calls , ready to much 4 3 of clubs, lol.
If I knew then, what I know now, I would have bet bigger.
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12-03-2018 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Backdoor straight draw?
Position?
We have like ~NIL equity in a multiway where there is just too good a chance at least one other person (and maybe more) have a bunch of equity and aren't going anywhere.

Gyou'retryingtoohard,imoG
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12-04-2018 , 09:58 AM
Wow, is it left up to me to keep this thread out of the muck again?
Come on people!
Ok, I'll bore you guys with another hand, if nothing else, to expose my poker deficiency.

Hero raises to 15 with AQo in late position.
Eff 200
2 callers including big blind.
Flop 744 rainbow
BB leads out for 25, typical donk move.
I have no significant reads on villain, he just say down a few orbits ago, other than he's quiet, around 50 like me, and looks ethnic like me.
Possibly Portuguese or Italian. I'm better looking.. Well, he looks like an Italian Burt Reynolds, the villain!

Other players folds.
I call the 25. It's too early to fold, I'm thinking.
I don't believe he hit that flop but that he might have some small pair, and, if he's a thinking player at all, he must have put me on pretty much what I have.
Turn is a 6
Villain bets out pretty quickly50.
I don't know what to do?
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12-04-2018 , 10:03 AM
Fold?
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12-04-2018 , 12:16 PM
I'd probably raise slightly more preflop to setup an easier / more comfortable stack off postflop with TP.

Readless, I fold to the flop donk. If we're going to try floating and getting people off of weak pairs we really need well established reads both ways (in that he is capable of folding, and that we have a nitty image and obviously have an overpair here when we call); we have none of that so I doubt it's going to work as much as it needs to.

As played, I'd fold on the turn. He's already put in half of his stack and so my guess is that he's unlikely to fold.

Gyou'restilltryingtoohard,imoG
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