Limp is fine, IMO, but not if you don't get more money in the pot on this board with so many action or hand killing runouts. I prefer b/3b on this board, but c/r could represent a semi-bluff to V.

I butchered the hand. That's why I posted it. Because I'm a glutton for criticism I guess.
I just called the flop bet and checked back the Turn. It checked around.
The club flush came in the river but I felt obligated to go for some type of value, ready to fold to a raise.
I bet 15 and got a call from V2, with his 2 pair.
He obviously would have put more money in the pot if the flush didn't scare him.
Oh well😬

Limping is fine, checking when 2nd to last to act is bad though. Your main focus should be extracting value when you have a hand.

Can confirm in 1/2 it doesn't matter, villains aren't considering your ep limp a glaring warning that you may have a small pp if you check raise them post.

They are just playing their own hands.

You get paid by top pair nearly everytime you make a set in 1/2 except on the nastiest of runouts.


Also can confirm raising with small pp's in 1/2 is a disaster, you will get called in 4-5 spots on average and you can try to rep AK on a K high runout but you will 100% be called down by k4 offsuit if they have it, even for stacks.

In fact most tables you can limp 90% of your range and just wait for nuted hands and start pumping money in and you will 100% get paid.

78suited UTG? Normally a fold but at my casino its going to limp through 99999% of the time unless someone woke up with kk or aa.


Stacked an old lady tonight for 150bb's on A 6 3 3 j runout with pocket sixes

I can confirm everything you just said.
It's not always as clear cut and easy, and I'm not always the shark, I'm sometimes the fish, thus my questions!
This weekend I folded pocket Aces to a flop cbet of 40 from me and a raise to 140 from villain on a 9 7 5 board. Villain said great fold sir, and showed me pocket 5's. Next day I went all in with Cowboys to a villain who was betting into me on a Queen high board.
I put him on AQ. Turn was a A. I showed my Kings and he mucked?
So, sometimes, you never know what 1/2 players have.

Half the table limps to us in the BB where we check Ah9H.

We cover all.

Flop comes 457 with 2 hearts. NFD, over cards, back door sd.

SB ABC ($175) leads for 11.

Hero thinks for a second and calls. (Not much doubt this is right.)

Just behind us, tricky, slightly spewy semi-pro guy ($450) makes it $30.

Loose passive lady ($150) calls. All others fold.

Comes back to SB who shoves for another $145.

Hero...

Assuming we need to make our flush to win and that at least one of our outs is dirty we are round bout 1/3 to win.

My guess is that these other peeps probably fold here a lot and the most common scenario is we call and take it heads up with a straight that likely beats ours or a set and lose a lot.

I fold this all day


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Always shipping 100bbs on NFD's if it's three way all in or more.

Could find a fold deep but not for 100bb's or less, easy decision.

Pot is laying 1.5:1 as it is. If there is any likelihood at all that someone else will call, it's an easy-peasey call.

My first thought was to call.

But I wound up agreeing with this.

The pro-ish guy was a little spewy but smart and was unlikely to call with a dominated draw or anything goofy. While I did not think he was that strong, I wouldn't be too happy if he shoved over me.

The lady would probably only call with a draw. Maybe an OES but I figured she was more likely to have a FD. (I said she was loose passive, but it's not like she was playing 40% of hands)

There was no real reason to think the shover had gone bananas with QhTh or something.

As it turned out, the lady did call and the shover's straight held. I made a good fold because no heart came.

I just worked this stuff out now:

HU against his straight, I was 39%.

Against a straight and a worse FD I was 31%.

HU against a set I was 26%.

Against a set and a worse FD I was 21%

Against a set and a straight, I was 25%.

I'd be calling $164 with $246 already in the pot, assuming I can add. Putting in 40% of pot.

If the lady called behind, I'd be putting in 31% of the pot.

Simple arithmetic is not my strong suit, but I think I got that right.

Obviously, I'm giving Vs a lot of credit here, and there is a chance my read on the shover was wrong and he wanted to go home and let it rip with a worse draw.

On the other hand, Mr. Semi-pro did raise the flop, and if he wasn't horsing around and then shoved, that would suck. So I think those things roughly cancel out.

So, in retrospect I guess that's a fold. Especially since variance is a fierce enemy.

5/5, 1K eff

AQ in LJ
I open to 20
Tight BTN 3b to 65, only I call

Flop (140): QJ6
I check
BTN bets 120, I call

Turn (380): T
I check
BTN bets 225
Hero?

Is this board just too wet to fold here? I look pretty strong after I call an almost PSB OTF, yet villain is still barreling turn with a sizing that looks to set up a river jam. I lose to AA (3 combos), KK (6 combos), QQ (1 combo), and JJ (3 combos). Also could be chopping with 6 combos of AQ. Most likely bluffs include AK, AK, AT, AJ, and some AK combos (although I expect to he gives up OTT with quite a few AK combos, and I'm not sure he's even 3b'ing ATs/AJs).

I think I have to either fold here or call off my whole stack. Thoughts?

sorry but how are any AK hands he has bluffs? AK has the nuts on this board?

it all depends on his 3 bet range but if you're describing him as tight, then let's give him 1010+, AQss+, AKo. We are chopping vs AQ and a mile behind everything else

this seems like a really easy fold unless you've made a mistake with the turn card or his range is a load wider than the range we're giving a 'tight' villain


as an aside, his sizing is interesting. Basically pots flop on a wet board and then down to 60% pot on turn. Feels nutsy. fold

[PHP][/PHP] Sorry I'm an idiot...its a 9 OTT not a T

But yeah I ended up folding, just wanted a quick line check. Feels bad to fold TPTK in a 3b pot to 2 bets

Clear turn fold, but how tight is tight? You should probably just muck it pre.

Bet sizing question:

2/5 live. V1 EP very loose passive, v2 EP pro or serious rec playing online poker during hands, v3 BB nitty rec.

H MP is the effective stack with $400. Image is largely not a factor except with V2. He owned me yesterday hitting straights against me in back to back pots where I 3 bet him.

V1/2 limp, H$30 with AsKh v3 calls

Flop Ks2s2h.

Theoretically I assume the answer is bet small. But exploitatively, since I would imagine calling ranges are going to be pretty inelastic here, should we go bigger? Would you size it bigger without the As?

Could also check it back. Not a big fan 4 ways though, would rather bet small.

2/5 live

H +2 ($500)
V1 (covers) CO extremely loose pre and calling station post. Bets with any piece of the board when checked to, doesn’t bluff much. He does view me as tight but I’m not sure if that actually matters. He tends to call a bunch on flops and turns against me and give up river. He donks flops a ton and when I raise those bets he often folds.

V2. $200 Same general description.

V2 straddles the button.

H $30 with AsQc, v1 and V2 call.

Pot:$90.

Flop 2h3h8s.

H? Hx, v1 $55 V2 folds. H?

That's just about the most out of sync evaluation of a villain I've ever heard.
Calling station but folds to a raise?
Doesn't bluff much but bets when checked to?
I know, I purposely skipped "with any piece" but how do you know he's not also betting with air when checked to?
Just seems your whole player read in general is off.

2/5/10
Good TAG pro raises 30 utg, one call and youngish unknown Asian guy who has been relatively loose passive and I can't remember a 3 bet makes it 150 from Button. I’m in BB with QQ.

Pro has 1700
Asian kid 1050
Hero 1550

4 bet or flat?
If 4 bet, what sizing and do we fold to a shove from utg? (we're priced in vs Button)
if we flat, what's our action is UTG 4 bets?

lol, wp

Did you check flop to trap villain?
I guess, it's a good flop to keep our range balanced.
Only hand that beats us is pocket 8's.
Do you think villain would call a pre flop raise with 2's or 3's?
It's unlikely that he'd flat K's or Aces, right?
We can either call and let villain hang himself, risking an A or K, either overtaking us or possibly killing the action.
Or, we can throw in a raise.
With stacks so shallow, it would be wise to consider careful our raise size, in case villain re raises and we find ourselves committed.
Unless that's our intention already. Then bet enough to create a favourable enough spr.

Actually, I take that back. Eff starting stack is 200, right?
Then either way, we should be looking to play for stacks.

He’s a nice guy, but his playstyle is very peculiar boardering on unique. My room is very small, spreads only one table of 2/5 so I play him almost everyday, that’s my read and I’m sticking to it!

I would expect him to bet hearts here somewhat often but I wouldn’t expect him to bet like 9Tss

He views me as pretty nitty so he likes to donk out and then fold to a raise.

EG a hand from today. A few limps I raise they call. I’ll bet on 852r into 3 people and he will call. Turn pairs the 5. He donks I almost min raise and be folds. We still had a bunch behind so if he had a draw I doubt he’s folding. So he clearly donked some kind of marginal pair and folded.

Then I see him stack off for 300 bb’s in a single raised pot with the wheel against a pro on a board where the turn paired the board and brought a flush. Also have seen him stack off with a pair and a gutter in absurd spots 3 ways.

He’s also stacked off pre against me for almost 100 bb’s with A8o in a straddled pot. Action was something like 3 limps I make it $40, straddle shoves $140 he calls, I shove $280 he calls.

I think you misread he hand I have A high no draw. He probably has most combos of TT+ Definitely has 2’s and 3’s. Might have full combos of 23s.

This spot is causing me undue stress. I came to this thread to avoid stressful spots. All I know is if we 4bet and UTG flats then we need to spike a Queen.

If UTG raises after we 4bet or flat I think we have to fold. My instinct is to 4bet in this spot but after further consideration I prefer a flat.

Seems to make sense to flat AA here then too?