ah yes, i see now. i was having problems following the OP.

so $40 to us to call into $170

V1 has $230
V2 has eff $380 (our stack)

we're getting 4.25:1 direct odds to call
we're getting 5.75:1 implied to V1's stack

V1's back raise is basically always AA/KK
V2's 3bet/call is going to be pretty strong too

honestly, i might call if i think they will play aggressively post. realistically, if we actually flop our set, between the 2 of them, they don't have to put much more in the pot and they are both strong based on preflop.

is it a cut and dry call? no. but you've been playing with both Vs for a little while and have an idea how they play, it could push it to a call. V2 is the smarter than the avg bear V, and he might still put a bet/call a bet post flop. really any post flop bet and call from V1 and V2 would cover the rest of the odds.

only continuing on the flop with a set. i'm folding all misses, including an overpair to the board.

I don't think so.

KT, QT, JT all reasonable (with some discounting obv) and an occasional lol QJ.

AQ and AJ get to the river, but only some b/f. Yeah, lots of Ax in the deck, but I can't see enough of A9-A2 calling the turn AND b/f river. A8 targeting KQ?

I think it's close, but probably want an "ability to b/f" read to pull the trigger.

V is a brown guy that came to the table with a pile of black chips (had been playing in the pits I guess. New player I would guess. Paying off with second pair, seems to think TPWK is the nuts. Haven´t seen him raise pf. Had AQ and TT in LMP and limped along. Stabby post flop. Won a couple of huge pots in past hour where he made gutshots on the turn against flopped sets, and the sets did the shoving for him. Stack $900

Hero is winning. Mostly by raising pre and taking down pots with c bets and on the turn. Rec fish sitting beside V. loudly commented to table that ''hero just loves to buy the pots'' after folding to heros sizable turn bet. Hero covers by quite bit.

Rest of table are sitting on $100-$200 stacks.

$1/2 latenight

bunch of limpers, V raises to $10 on the button (looks super excited and acting strangely), SB calls, hero calls w. 98 in BB, 4 limpers call

($64.50) 982


SB checks, Hero says ''all in''.

We like?

Trying to be a little more creative. Especially against the regs.

Hand 1

Playing 5 handed ATM. Hero has been at table for only a couple of orbits. Barely seen a flop because dude on my left is straddling and raising from the blinds every hand.

V is a rec. fish. Plays too many hands and limp calls with them. Not the worst player in the room. Will go busto with overpairs. He bets his one pair, weakish hands, and slowplay big hands I think (including big pairs pf). Has a history of getting busted by hero. $600.

SB seems to be playing every hand. Has raised every hand from the blinds and his straddle so far. I suspect he is raising light but so far has showed down only premium hands, so not totally sure. Really hate that he is on my direct left but they won´t let you change seats 5 handed.

Hero has a solid TAG image. $550

UTG folds, V limps, Hero raises QT to $15 on button, BB calls, folds back to V who calls.

($43) Flop: AA6

BB checks, V bets $15, Hero calls, BB folds.

(70) Turn 2

V bets $30, hero raises to $80


Hand 2

1/2

V is a decent player (by the standard of the room). Tigher than the average player but will loosen up when he is running good. Is running hot since he sat down an hour ago. Likes to bomb late streets for PSB's to steal when it doesn't look like anyone has anything. Definititly a bluffy player when checked to. Has a funny habit of thinking out loud. Sometimes he actually says his hold cards outloud unconsciously. Stack 1K+

Hero has a super tight abc grinderish image tonight. Making his money by raising in position and c betting. $900

Game just lost a about 4 players and is about to break. Maybe 4 or 5 handed.

Folds to hero in SB w. A9 who raises to $15, V defends BB.

($28.50) Flop A72

Hero checks, V checks.

'' Turn: 6

Hero bets $20, V mumbles ''you just trying to...'' under his breath, and calls.

(64.50) River: 6

Hero checks, V bets $60, hero calls.

Thoughts?

So hand with 98, were you 900 effective and shoved 890 into a 60$ pot?

Hand 1 I dont like, when fish lead out on AAx board they usually have it 90% of the time. Not worth the hassle without a solid read.

Hand 2 I like a lot.

Hint: I think V has a premium pair and he will never fold this board, but may if another club, 9,8,T,7,overcard to his pair comes along. The limpers can't really hurt me. ''Crack n' shove.''

Meh. My description of V sucked. My read is that V is very unlikely to have an ace and he will fold against me.

ok. Thanks.

1/3

Relevant prior hand.

Limp. Hero raises to 15 with JJ. Tight-passive station-y Asian villain calls. Two other players call.

Flop is T92. Limp-caller donks into hero for 35. Hero calls. Villain calls.

Turn is 8. Limp-calling donk-bettor makes a weak lead of 50. Hero shoves for about 125 more. Villain calls. Donk-bettor folds.

River is 7. My straight beats villain's KK.


Current hand.

Villain limps UTG. Folded to hero in BB who raises to 20. Villain calls with a range that is heavily weighted towards pocket pairs.

Flop is T96. Hero bets 25. Villain calls.

Turn is 2. Hero bets 50, villain calls. The way in which villain calls makes hero believe that villain's range here is AA-JJ. While hero knew such hands were in villain's range, hero didn't narrow villain's range until after the turn call.

River is 7. Hero had planned to make a big river bet. The possible straight complicates things. An hour ago, all-in would have been a reasonable value-bet here, but after losing with 8 poorly played QQ+ hands without a single pf raise, villain has learned to be a bit afraid of obvious straights and flushes, but hasn't learned to raise and reraise with premium hands before the flop.

If the river had been a 4, I probably bet 150 on the river, but I am sure villain is folding his overpair to a bet that big.

Flop c-bet is kind of standard-sized for me. Turn should have been more like 60-65. I was a bit on auto-pilot. The pf raise is normally 15 from me, but I made it 20 against this particular player. For a pf raise of 15, it'd normally be 20 on the flop and 50 on the turn against one caller, but I forgot momentarily that I bumped it up a bit more pf.

As played, what river bet size do you like?

What do we have and stacks?

Oops. I have AA. Stacks were around 400 to start the hand. Definitely large enough to make an overbet shove on the river seem too ridiculous of an option.

So SPR is 10 against a guy who is trappy? I'm assuming this guy could easily just calldown to the river when flopping a set before springing the tarp?

I just don't like stacking off with one pair giving Villains 20+ implied odds preflop, but maybe that's just me. So I would bet/fold no more than 1/2 PSB on each street, including the river (whether river was 7 or a 4).

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He's not trappy, just really passive.

I'm assuming villain checked the river - if so, I'm b/f $75 to get looked up by Tx who "put you on AK".

We may own ourselves but IMO we're missing value vs. this particular villain.

Villain is UTG. I am BB. So, I act first. I am always betting here against this player.

As played, I bet 75 and got called by KK. He called slowly enough that I think he folds if I bet 150, but quickly enough that he might call 100.

sorry for any confusion in the OP, Johnny sums up the scenario and my thought process well. I felt both villains' ranges were strong and wasn't planning to get involved on a non-set flop. Also agree it's a close spot hence my post.

Results: I flat the 40, 3 of us see an A37flop, I check, V1 bets 95, V2 calls, I fold. Turn Q, V1 check/calls all-in with

so 900 into 65? You have 72% vs QQ-AA, time to print money and ride the variance train.

Your line in Hand 1 (AA6 board) looks good.

Hand 2

I like checking weaker Ax in these spots. Once villain checks behind on flop, I'm betting turn just as you did. But when he calls, I'm following through with another bet on the river. His speech suggests that he's preparing to hero you + your hand is underrepped. Bet/fold 30-40.

Oh damn I must have misread. Johnny, YOU open ship 900? Wow. Why not check ship?

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I've been playing recently in a home cash game that has a strange structure: fixed buyin of $100, and a single $0.50 blind. Rebuys & top offs are allowed but no players were buying in to start with for stacks of $200 or $25, etc.

The first few times I've played I tried to wrestle the game to my expectations by simply sizing my preflop raises as though the game was played as 100BB with a $1.00/$0.50 blind structure. That is, opens from me would be $4-10 depending on action and then I'd play based on pot size post flop. Of course with the blind structure that means that I'm opening 8x to 20x the blind, which with a balanced preflop range (88+, 78s+ more or less depending on position and action) I feel like I could be spewing with the bottom of that range.

Other players in the game play it with higher SPRs and it's common for most of them to open to $1.50 or $2.00 only..

Am I missing opportunities to manipulate pot sizes more by ignoring what is in effect the missing big blind? The players appear to play middling to bad post-flop so I don't really want to tighten my preflop range way down even though I can get action at over 10x preflop raises.

Any thoughts welcome

It's not .5/1 with a missing big blind, it's 0.25/0.5 with a missing small blind.

Ok so that means that opening so huge probably is spew and I should just be playing it like a 200BB deep game. Makes sense

Opening huge is the correct way to exploit certain players.

It's been working so far but as far as I can tell there's two or three players who have adjusted and started 3! me light. Everyone else continues to play trappy fit and fold since my image is LAG but since they're so fit foldy they don't see many of my hands.

Even the adjusting players are no geniuses but surely are capable of picking up on a bet sizing tell.

So Villian dependant. Probably not smaller than 1/3PSB

scarier, no?

Ended up getting 3 callers including V. FWIW. Turn was a and river paired deuces

If they call your big raises pre and then play fit and fold post you're minting money. If they start tightening up and only calling with better hands then adapt. I would imagine a deeper game post would give you a bigger edge, allow for looser play. Playing tight is booring, and probably not max EV.

V is an tight old dude who is super passive. Loves to pot control and basically only betting the nuts on the river. Not been at table long. Don´t think he is a reg. $300

MAWG station has $250

Hero is on tail end of a ridic. 12 hours session. Busted two decent stacks 20min ago when his big raise with 75s on the button didn´t go as planned but he flopped a straight flush. One V had the nut flush and other guy had KK and second nut draw. $3600

1/2

4 limpers, hero (sigh) limps 64 on button, V calls in SB. BB checks. 7 players in.

($14) Flop: T53

V bets $15, station calls, hero???

Since he will almost certainly just call and check to us on the turn, what do we think about a min raise here?