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10-08-2015 , 11:14 PM
Forgot to include that he had K9o in that hand.
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10-09-2015 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
Kind of embarrassed to be posting this one, but here goes:

V is a fish playing every hand. Calls raises with a lot of junk. Not raising pf tons, but an aggro donkey post flop. Bad sizing tells. Likes to donk bet, go after orphan pots. Not a thinking player. $110

Hero has a snug winning image and a big stack. Joking about jacks going ''straight into the muck'' pf. Mostly winning pots before showdown, though did win a big pot with 74s on button. V might think I am ABC.

Only 1 hand we played together: $300 Eff. I opened UTG KK for $17 he called BB. Board:9765A . He bet $25 on every street and I just called him down.

Some limpers, V opens for $17 on button, SB folds, hero raises AKto $45 in BB, folded back to V who calls.

($Flop: A75

Hero checks to let V hang himself?
He only has $110 total? In that case this is a pretty easy check (repping a pocket pair) and expect him to shove with air a large percentage of the time.
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10-09-2015 , 01:19 AM
I'm ok with the way you played the KK hand. Really terrible runout for your hand.
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10-09-2015 , 12:00 PM
I'm also cool with KK hand against this guy (although I find river a really tough call but I suck at poker).

In this hand dude has like 1/2 PSB left? I'd probably check the first 2 streets and maybe even the third. If he has an A, he'll eventually bet it himself. Mostly he has air and we're crushing that, so the only way to get it is to have him put it in himself (which it sounds like he is fond of doing).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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10-09-2015 , 03:24 PM
You guys aren't raising the flop in the KK hand? Thought that would be standard...
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10-09-2015 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by t_roy
You guys aren't raising the flop in the KK hand? Thought that would be standard...
Are we cool with stacking off in SPR 8 pot offering implied odds of 18:1 preflop? I'm cooler with bluffcatching for value.

GbutI'mpassivelikethatG
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10-09-2015 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Are we cool with stacking off in SPR 8 pot offering implied odds of 18:1 preflop? I'm cooler with bluffcatching for value.

GbutI'mpassivelikethatG
Well raising the flop does not mean we are stacking off for one. For two, vs described villain, yea I probably am comfy stacking off a lot on this kind of flop. #neverbeencalledpassivebutcan'tfigureoutwhy #dididothatright #howcanIgetawaywithcustomhashtagslikeyou
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10-09-2015 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by t_roy
Well raising the flop does not mean we are stacking off for one. For two, vs described villain, yea I probably am comfy stacking off a lot on this kind of flop. #neverbeencalledpassivebutcan'tfigureoutwhy #dididothatright #howcanIgetawaywithcustomhashtagslikeyou
pf I would give V a similar range to what a snug TAG OTB might play in a multiway limped pot. Still comfy?
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10-10-2015 , 07:23 AM
Villain is fairly loose and thinks he can outplay me. I have laid down lots of post-flop hands to raises this session, including some from villain.

2/5 NL
Hero $1200 MP JJ
Villain $275 CO

p/f one limper to hero who raises to $20, Villain calls, limper calls

flop ($63) K7K, checks to hero who bets $50, Villain raises to $150 (leaving only $105 behind), limper folds. Based on villains description is this is a .....?
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10-10-2015 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TenFourOff
Villain is fairly loose and thinks he can outplay me. I have laid down lots of post-flop hands to raises this session, including some from villain.

2/5 NL
Hero $1200 MP JNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:JNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:
Villain $275 CO

p/f one limper to hero who raises to $20, Villain calls, limper calls

flop ($63) KNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:7Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:KNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:, checks to hero who bets $50, Villain raises to $150 (leaving only $105 behind), limper folds. Based on villains description is this is a .....?
It's a fold. The min-raise by a short stack is usually a nutted hand. If he had a flush draw, he'd rip it in.
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10-10-2015 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by TenFourOff
Villain is fairly loose and thinks he can outplay me. I have laid down lots of post-flop hands to raises this session, including some from villain.

2/5 NL
Hero $1200 MP JJ
Villain $275 CO

p/f one limper to hero who raises to $20, Villain calls, limper calls

flop ($63) K7K, checks to hero who bets $50, Villain raises to $150 (leaving only $105 behind), limper folds. Based on villains description is this is a .....?
it's a shove purely based on his description, and the fact that almost nobody raises trips on the flop.

Whatever the best decision is, though, you need to make it before you bet the $50. You're either bet/folding or bet/calling vs either villain (your line for each can obv be different)

Another option would be checking flop.
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10-10-2015 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TenFourOff
Villain is fairly loose and thinks he can outplay me. I have laid down lots of post-flop hands to raises this session, including some from villain.

2/5 NL
Hero $1200 MP JJ
Villain $275 CO

p/f one limper to hero who raises to $20, Villain calls, limper calls

flop ($63) K7K, checks to hero who bets $50, Villain raises to $150 (leaving only $105 behind), limper folds. Based on villains description is this is a .....?
He would CC with AK,KQ,KJs,KTs?

Spades: AX,QT,Q9,J9,T9,9865=17 combos discounted by 75%? (for reasons stated by Tootie)=4 combos

88-TT

Board: KdKs7s
Equity Win Tie
MP2 44.20% 43.30% 0.90% { JsJc }
MP3 55.80% 54.90% 0.90% { 88+, AKs, KTs+, T9s, AsTs, As9s, 9s8s, AKo, KQo }


Assume both are committed we need to call $205 to win $520 (removing $7 for rake)=39.4% equity to break even.

So, I vote for call.

Critique of my ranging/math would be appreciated.
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10-10-2015 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
Critique of my ranging/math would be appreciated.
Villain is fairly loose and in position. In making my decision I assumed a broader range of pairs 22-TT (QQ+ and AK would three bet), Any two spades, K9o+. I don't know if I was being too generous with my range.
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10-10-2015 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
pf I would give V a similar range to what a snug TAG OTB might play in a multiway limped pot. Still comfy?
If he is going to GII with draws and overpairs then yea, off the top of my head.
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10-10-2015 , 05:43 PM
A7dd obv
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10-10-2015 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TenFourOff
Villain is fairly loose and in position. In making my decision I assumed a broader range of pairs 22-TT (QQ+ and AK would three bet), Any two spades, K9o+. I don't know if I was being too generous with my range.
Well, if we can discount AK,QQ+, add a lot of the smaller PP's and A7s, our equity goes up quite a lot.
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10-11-2015 , 08:54 AM
100bbs EFF

5x MS straddle in play
Table is practically a buncha empty seats

Guy to right: habitual straddler. Strategy is to get as much money in preflop as possible with whatever

Guy to left: rich trust fund dude loves to stack off pre with wide range but not total idiot. Definitely loose money though

What hands are we raising the straddle?

Anyone ever employ a l/r strat?
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10-12-2015 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
100bbs EFF

5x MS straddle in play
Table is practically a buncha empty seats

Guy to right: habitual straddler. Strategy is to get as much money in preflop as possible with whatever

Guy to left: rich trust fund dude loves to stack off pre with wide range but not total idiot. Definitely loose money though

What hands are we raising the straddle?

Anyone ever employ a l/r strat?
button straddle is 5xBB? how many players?

I'm thinking I'd be happy to commit and GII pre with KJs+, KQ+, AT+,77+. I think we need more into on V's range to GII.
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10-12-2015 , 02:43 AM
$1/2

Hero is unknown to V. Perhaps a TAG image. Definitely doing some raising but not excessively active. $600

V is a MAWG that came over when the PLO broke up. Limping every hand and calling raises. From HH1 he perhaps cannot get away from TPMK. Not a lot of HH to go on, but I feel he is going to try to bluff/outplay opponents every chance he gets, and will spew like crazy if we give him the opportunity.

HH1 old guy ($250) made it $15 UTG w. AQ, young guy ($300) that just sat down called UTG+2 KK, V called button or BB QTo. Got distracted flirting with the massage girl and looked up on the turn to see all the money in the middle. Board was Q852

HH2 V over limped Q3(don't remember if suited) in MP, button called 5 way to flop: Q62r. V let is check around. Turn J, V bet like $10 when checked to, one of limpers infront called. River J. Limper bet $15ish PSB w. J8o and V raised to $45

OTTH

Hero covers. V has $280ish

V limps UTG, Hero makes it $17 JJ in MP, folds back to V who calls.

($33) Flop: T62

V checks, hero bets $25 V makes is $60 and hero tank calls.

($150) Turn: K

V bets $75, hero calls

**Shove here???

($300) River: A

V snap allin for $130, hero?

Last edited by kookiemonster; 10-12-2015 at 02:51 AM.
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10-12-2015 , 07:31 AM
Hello
Stack size question
Local card room
Wired house rule: when downgrade table the original player can opt to take chip off the table or keep all the money on table
The 2/5 table is downgrade to 1/3 then is downgrade to a 1/2 (1500 cap-->500 cap---> 200 cap)
It was late night for condensing the whole room to one NLH table
I was finishing up my Friday routine LHE cashing out money (usually at that hour the LHE table get short hand and the NLH table get combined, that is normally when I quit)
And I saw that 1/2 table, 7 people has 500+
There is one seat open
I m still learning NLH. The table every pot is raised to 15+ preflop
Even though I m a newbee I know there is a lot of money on the table and I decide to sit down
i would like to ask some advise as how to approach
I never sit on aggressive table like this ( usually the Friday night 1/2 table are bunch of loose passive players. But today the 2/5 game downgrade to 1/3 then downgrade to 1/2)
What I did was sitting rock ( the only tight player at the table)
Only play late position with pocket pair and big suited boardway.
I did notice this :If a three way pot
Preflop call 15. Pot 45
Flop bet 20. 3 way Pot 100
Turn bet 50. Heads up. Pot 200
And on the river I have 100ish left and pot is 200.
There goes my buyin.
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10-12-2015 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
$1/2

($33) Flop: T62

V checks, hero bets $25 V makes is $60 and hero tank calls.

($150) Turn: K

V bets $75, hero calls

**Shove here???
If you're confident in your read

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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
Not a lot of HH to go on, but I feel he is going to try to bluff/outplay opponents every chance he gets, and will spew like crazy if we give him the opportunity.
then flat. allowing him to fire with 87 or 34 is good.

($300) River: A
V snap allin for $130, hero?[/QUOTE]

If I'm calling turn, I'm also calling river.Based on HH2, he may be someone who overvalues top pair. If you think he's capable of spazzing otf with QT/JT/air, then by all means call down. I'd need a pretty specific read that villain was spazzing that hard, though.
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10-12-2015 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by heikkie
Hello
Stack size question
Local card room
Wired house rule: when downgrade table the original player can opt to take chip off the table or keep all the money on table
The 2/5 table is downgrade to 1/3 then is downgrade to a 1/2 (1500 cap-->500 cap---> 200 cap)
It was late night for condensing the whole room to one NLH table
I was finishing up my Friday routine LHE cashing out money (usually at that hour the LHE table get short hand and the NLH table get combined, that is normally when I quit)
And I saw that 1/2 table, 7 people has 500+
There is one seat open
I m still learning NLH. The table every pot is raised to 15+ preflop
Even though I m a newbee I know there is a lot of money on the table and I decide to sit down
i would like to ask some advise as how to approach
I never sit on aggressive table like this ( usually the Friday night 1/2 table are bunch of loose passive players. But today the 2/5 game downgrade to 1/3 then downgrade to 1/2)
What I did was sitting rock ( the only tight player at the table)
Only play late position with pocket pair and big suited boardway.
I did notice this :If a three way pot
Preflop call 15. Pot 45
Flop bet 20. 3 way Pot 100
Turn bet 50. Heads up. Pot 200
And on the river I have 100ish left and pot is 200.
There goes my buyin.
Two potential issues I see:

1) You are the caller (rather than the raiser)
2) You seem to be playing too wide of a calling range

The problem with being a caller is that you will likely have to make a hand to win the pot. This means if you are the caller you should be doing so with a very tight hand range which increases the odds that you flop the best hand.

You stated that you call with pocket pairs. I don't know what that means. If you are trying to set mine then you aren't getting the right odds.

The fact that you get stacks in by the river isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you put money in on the flop you should be generally doing so with the best hand vs players who are often likely to flop the 2nd best hand, or with a strong draw which will not commit you unless you hit. Variance will be high regardless though. Sometimes the best hand will become the 2nd best hand. Sometimes what is normally the best hand will be the 2nd best hand.
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10-12-2015 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
$1/2

Hero is unknown to V. Perhaps a TAG image. Definitely doing some raising but not excessively active. $600

V is a MAWG that came over when the PLO broke up. Limping every hand and calling raises. From HH1 he perhaps cannot get away from TPMK. Not a lot of HH to go on, but I feel he is going to try to bluff/outplay opponents every chance he gets, and will spew like crazy if we give him the opportunity.

HH1 old guy ($250) made it $15 UTG w. AQ, young guy ($300) that just sat down called UTG+2 KK, V called button or BB QTo. Got distracted flirting with the massage girl and looked up on the turn to see all the money in the middle. Board was QNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:8Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:5Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions2Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:

HH2 V over limped Q3(don't remember if suited) in MP, button called 5 way to flop: Q62r. V let is check around. Turn J, V bet like $10 when checked to, one of limpers infront called. River J. Limper bet $15ish PSB w. J8o and V raised to $45

OTTH

Hero covers. V has $280ish

V limps UTG, Hero makes it $17 JNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:JNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions: in MP, folds back to V who calls.

($33) Flop: TNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:6Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:2Not Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

V checks, hero bets $25 V makes is $60 and hero tank calls.

($150) Turn: KNot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions

V bets $75, hero calls

**Shove here???

($300) River: ANot Quite Threadworthy--Low Stress Strat Questions:

V snap allin for $130, hero?
I think you played it well, assuming you called the river. He's likely shoving his entire range here.

I'd be tempted to click it back on the flop, which might be terrible.
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10-14-2015 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by suited fours
I think you played it well, assuming you called the river. He's likely shoving his entire range here.

I'd be tempted to click it back on the flop, which might be terrible.
V shoved so quickly I actually don´t even know if he saw the river card first. I called and he showed A8o. NH Sir.
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10-14-2015 , 01:10 PM
How bad is this hand?

Sick $1/2 game with $1000 stacks and two whales. V has $400, hero covers.

V is a rec player that plays a lot of hands but is semicompetent post flop and capable of folding a big but fairly obvious second best hand.

Hero has a snug TAG image.

EP opens to $7 (pot sweetener), 2 whales with big stacks call, V calls in CO, hero calls OTB w. A7 5way

($36.50) Flop: J43

Checked to V who bets $35, hero calls, rest fold.

*Given I have the A, V has a flush here almost always. Kind of worried about blowing him off a baby flush.

($101) Turn 5

V bets $55, hero calls.

*Modest sizing. I expect V is not so in love with his hand here. Hard to say really. Still king of afraid of blowing him off his baby flush. Maybe I was wrong and he has KJx.

($216) River: Q

V bets $55, hero raises to $155

*Honestly think V gets away from a lot of his flushes if I shove $250 here. Kind of sickening to not be playing for stacks though.
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