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08-14-2020 , 01:27 PM
Villain is 16/12/17 over about 1k hands. Has some deceptive tendancies, likes to check back overpairs on rag flops, etc. His turn lead confused me. Comments on all streets appreciated.

Yatahay Network - $4 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $595.50
MP+1: $529.00
CO: $433.70
BTN: $400.00
SB: $1,998.35
BB: $400.00
UTG: $400.00
Hero (UTG+1): $603.00

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $6.00) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to $10.00, Hero raises to $30.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $20.00

Flop: ($66.00, 2 players) T 2 K
UTG checks, Hero bets $33.00, UTG calls $33.00

Turn: ($132.00, 2 players) 5
UTG bets $99.00, Hero calls $99.00

River: ($330.00, 2 players) T
UTG bets $238.00 and is all-in, fold

UTG wins $327.00
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08-14-2020 , 01:44 PM
Turn seems close. This is such a huge ev board for us that I would be suprised If we need to reach too deep for defends here. Our range is just full of kx plus and big combo draws.
Think this is a clear river fold, pretty much bottom of range, blocks bluffs, and we have heaps of better hands for calling.
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08-15-2020 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by LemonsGold
Turn seems close. This is such a huge ev board for us that I would be suprised If we need to reach too deep for defends here. Our range is just full of kx plus and big combo draws.
Think this is a clear river fold, pretty much bottom of range, blocks bluffs, and we have heaps of better hands for calling.
Yeah this actually seems like one of our worst available bluff catchers with the Qd
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09-16-2020 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by LemonsGold
Turn seems close. This is such a huge ev board for us that I would be suprised If we need to reach too deep for defends here. Our range is just full of kx plus and big combo draws.
Think this is a clear river fold, pretty much bottom of range, blocks bluffs, and we have heaps of better hands for calling.
Agreed, good fold.
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09-16-2020 , 05:01 PM
Flop half pot bet it’s pretty darn awful
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09-17-2020 , 03:47 AM
I don't like flop bet here. If your going to call a chunky turn lead it's better to check the flop and keep the pot smaller.
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09-17-2020 , 12:04 PM
Agreed on the flop bet as well. A check with this hand makes way more sense.
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10-06-2020 , 08:27 PM
I don’t get his turn bet at all and I think it’s probably bad with anything he has here; my best guess is that he has 22/55 and can’t have a busted Qjdd to catch him on.
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10-07-2020 , 08:43 PM
I'd probably check back the flop too.

As played, his turn lead also confuses me. I think I'd fold the turn though, especially holding the Qd. He can't have a weirdly played AdQd or QdJd.
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11-03-2020 , 07:13 PM
What are your guy's thoughts on a re-raise (probably on bigger side to get max fold equity) on turn? Seems bluffy given 5h doesn't change much.

For reference, I'm a micro stakes online player just interested in your guys' thoughts, not critiquing the play of someone who is obviously much better than me.
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11-04-2020 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Len$$$
What are your guy's thoughts on a re-raise (probably on bigger side to get max fold equity) on turn? Seems bluffy given 5h doesn't change much.

For reference, I'm a micro stakes online player just interested in your guys' thoughts, not critiquing the play of someone who is obviously much better than me.
probably too spewy, in theory we have more nutted hands than him but we are blocking his obvious bluffs in the worst ways

the 5h not changing anything would actually make it a weirder card for him to bluff than something else though I do agree it looks very weird and in game I probably call turn because his line is so nonsensical. I can't imagine any hand being a good turn lead here, maybe with the exception of 55/22 but I still prefer a c/r
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11-04-2020 , 08:10 PM
makes sense
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11-05-2020 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by lil feller
Villain is 16/12/17 over about 1k hands. Has some deceptive tendancies, likes to check back overpairs on rag flops, etc. His turn lead confused me. Comments on all streets appreciated.

Yatahay Network - $4 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $595.50
MP+1: $529.00
CO: $433.70
BTN: $400.00
SB: $1,998.35
BB: $400.00
UTG: $400.00
Hero (UTG+1): $603.00

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $6.00) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to $10.00, Hero raises to $30.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $20.00

Flop: ($66.00, 2 players) T 2 K
UTG checks, Hero bets $33.00, UTG calls $33.00

Turn: ($132.00, 2 players) 5
UTG bets $99.00, Hero calls $99.00

River: ($330.00, 2 players) T
UTG bets $238.00 and is all-in, fold

UTG wins $327.00

Hi lil feller,

I'll simplify this a bit for 6Max to LJ vs HJ 3B pot.

PREFLOP

LJ open should be around 18% of hands seen here.



Your opponent likely opening less based on your hud stats and position.

You range against this preflop



And finally his calling range




FLOP

Ks Td 2d

On the flop our OOP opponent is going to check 100% as standard.

You have a clear range advantage on your opponent and can go ahead an bet 100% of your range.



You chose to bet half pot here but the solver prefers a smaller betsize of about 18% on the flop with almost our entire range and always with QQ.

His response vs our 18% bet sizing



His response vs our 62% bet sizing



I'll go ahead and assume we bet 62% here.


TURN

Ks Td 2d 5h

He made a blunder here on the turn with his large donking size, mostly OOP like this he should check or donk small. The 5h is not a particularly good card for him as well.

However, we can see in the filters over 42% of his range is already TP+



We don't actually get to this spot with QQ, as we bet smaller on the flop.

Personally I would go ahead and fold this spot because I think his range is very strong here but the solver is indifferent to Folding, Calling and RAI.




RIVER

I would suggest folding as well on the river.

Overall, I think you played this hand okay. My main recommendation would be to use a smaller flop sizing with your whole range.

I hope that helps, thanks for posting the hand. You can check out GTOWizard today for free to study more of your hands.

https://home.gtowizard.com/
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11-05-2020 , 12:33 PM
GTOWizard what solver is that?
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11-27-2020 , 01:18 AM
why you bet the flop?

Also, what's your villain story, table image, etc etc
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11-27-2020 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by GSV
why you bet the flop?

Also, what's your villain story, table image, etc etc
I bet the flop because I made a mistake, lol.

Villain tight and solid, but capable of timely bluffs

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11-27-2020 , 03:57 AM
Then if you made that mistake, y post the thread (you don't have to answer me)
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12-02-2020 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by GTOWizard
Hi lil feller,

I'll simplify this a bit for 6Max to LJ vs HJ 3B pot.

PREFLOP

LJ open should be around 18% of hands seen here.



Your opponent likely opening less based on your hud stats and position.

You range against this preflop



And finally his calling range




FLOP

Ks Td 2d

On the flop our OOP opponent is going to check 100% as standard.

You have a clear range advantage on your opponent and can go ahead an bet 100% of your range.



You chose to bet half pot here but the solver prefers a smaller betsize of about 18% on the flop with almost our entire range and always with QQ.

His response vs our 18% bet sizing



His response vs our 62% bet sizing



I'll go ahead and assume we bet 62% here.


TURN

Ks Td 2d 5h

He made a blunder here on the turn with his large donking size, mostly OOP like this he should check or donk small. The 5h is not a particularly good card for him as well.

However, we can see in the filters over 42% of his range is already TP+



We don't actually get to this spot with QQ, as we bet smaller on the flop.

Personally I would go ahead and fold this spot because I think his range is very strong here but the solver is indifferent to Folding, Calling and RAI.




RIVER

I would suggest folding as well on the river.

Overall, I think you played this hand okay. My main recommendation would be to use a smaller flop sizing with your whole range.

I hope that helps, thanks for posting the hand. You can check out GTOWizard today for free to study more of your hands.

https://home.gtowizard.com/

Nice breakdown mate. I agree that GTO+ never bets halfpot on flop as it usually likes the 20%-25% bet on the flop IP on these flops with the underpair to the top card if its a big card like a K,Q,J. Then sometimes will bet half pot on turn but as played when opponent donks turn if youd bet smaller their lead is smaller and we can continue wider. Just best when you dont have a HUGE hand to keep our opponents ranges as wide as possible so they make more mistakes on later streets.
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