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03-20-2012 , 10:51 AM

braap1

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I'm playing 1-2 NL, my opponent is UTG, I'm BB. *He raises to 8 everyone folds around I call. I have KJ suited hearts. Flop comes 383, 2 hearts on the board. I bet 10 bucks he raises to 25. I call, turn is a J, I check he checks. River is an Ace of hearts. I hit my nut flush and bet out 50. I have 110 left. He quick pushes all in and has me covered. I call he shows pocket AA. *Is there anyway I should of played this differently? Any advice would be great thank you.*

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03-20-2012 , 10:53 AM

1ns71nct

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Bet like 30 OTR and fold to shoves.

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03-20-2012 , 11:08 AM

chaser3

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Fold pre or 3-bet. Kj is weak oop headsup. 3-bet
Light or fold. And if you get raised on the flop probably fold. We could be drawing dead already

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03-20-2012 , 02:14 PM

dgiharris

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You don't want to call OOP (out of position) with RIO (reverse Implied odds) hands like KJhh.

If several V's called, then sure, you'd have odds to call and hope to flop gin, otherwise, you are entering an inflated pot OOP with likely a hand dominated by AJ-AK, JJ-AA, KQ.

Its almost better for you to call with 98s than KJ because at least with 98s there is a good chance you have two live cards whereas with KJ a good chance you are dominated...

As played, you are stacking off on this river. Hitting your flush on the river and then b/f is just ******ed.

In any event, best advice is to fold pre, AINEC (And Its Not Even Close)

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03-20-2012 , 02:54 PM

m3deman

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I agree with dgi, fold pre. and as played if you are calling on the flop looking for your flush then bet/folding when you hit the flush seems ******ed to me as well.

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03-20-2012 , 02:59 PM

1ns71nct

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How many players do we need to make it a profitable call in the BB

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03-20-2012 , 05:31 PM

wWizardG

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hahaha, no!

Do not bet/fold river!

I suppose you COULD fold PF, but who is honestly folding for $6 more with KJss? I'd have to give my opponent tons of respect to fold to such a tiny raise.

It's a pretty standard cooler, imo.

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03-20-2012 , 05:46 PM

braap1

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i never bet/folded the river. i bet out 50 he pushed all in and i called, i lost all my money but i didnt fold it.

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03-20-2012 , 07:05 PM

dgiharris

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Originally Posted by wWizardG

hahaha, no!

Do not bet/fold river!

I suppose you COULD fold PF, but who is honestly folding for $6 more with KJss? I'd have to give my opponent tons of respect to fold to such a tiny raise.

This is a super easy fold pre for the reasons I stated. Players that would fold pre are players that realize that this is a super bad spot to be in. We have a hand that is likely dominated by V's raising range. I was being completely serious. Calling with 98s in this spot is much much better than calling with KJs.

Don't be a fish and call just because you have KJ soooottttteeedddd....

You don't call raises with RIO hands when you are OOP so this is an easy fold pre AINEC.

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03-20-2012 , 07:10 PM

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Tomark

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fold preflop. Check/raise or check/call flop (depending on fold equity and how likely you think villan will 3B). Betting out is so bad.

easy check/call on turn (he has an overpair here, but you have plenty of outs unless he has exactly KK or the very discounted JJ). The A is good and bad, AA just got there, so you are only beating KK/QQ, so id probably just check/call.

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03-20-2012 , 07:14 PM

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dgiharris

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Originally Posted by 1ns71nct

How many players do we need to make it a profitable call in the BB

This is a good question that I don't have a solid math answer to.

My instinct says you want to treat it like setmining where you need at least 11:1 on you money in a combo of both direct odds and implied odds.

So in my mind, I'd need at least 3 villains total each sitting close to 100bb for me to call with KJhh OOP.

I'd also need those villains to be fairly passive or ABC readable post flop. Again, being OOP is a severe disadvantage that shouldn't be taken lightly.

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03-20-2012 , 07:26 PM

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AceofIrish

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[QUOTE=chaser3;32153893]Fold pre or 3-bet. Kj We could be drawing dead already[/QUOTE

Do you think you could ever be drawing dead flop? (with kj suited?) Or ANY hand?

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03-20-2012 , 10:32 PM

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FitzyII

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preflop against an utg raiser, it's an easy fold. I would check/call the flop as long as the bet is lower than $15, would fold to a bigger bet.

On the river, I would put villain on an over pair, and with ace showing don't expect him to call a big bet, so I would bet around 1/3-1/2 pot. If he ships, I would probably fold. People are saying it's ******ed, but what other hand can he have based on the action? (Also, it's notable that with my line, the shove would be much bigger compared to the pot.)

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03-20-2012 , 10:40 PM

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DevinLake

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fold preflop.

I wouldn't donk this flop if I wasn't 3betting. It looks weak and will induce a raise some times. Also, you can have a 3 (maybe, because people defend their blinds way too wide), he can't.

As played, I would not lead the river. His check on the turn makes me think air a lot, and I'd expect him to value bet an A on the river or maybe take another stab. Then I'd c/r.

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03-20-2012 , 10:45 PM

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DevinLake

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Originally Posted by wWizardG

I suppose you COULD fold PF, but who is honestly folding for $6 more with KJss? I'd have to give my opponent tons of respect to fold to such a tiny raise.

I hear this a lot playing live. It's so awesome. "I'm not folding anything for just $10". Well, thanks for the money.

People for some reason think they can play any hand profitably post flop seeing 3 cards oop versus a tighter range.

It's not just $6 more, you have to add your loss rate with this hand post flop to that cost.

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03-20-2012 , 10:47 PM

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todd350

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helps with villain description middle aged white guys raise small with aces alot trying to trap. id fold preflop. i see people lead alot on river when they hit the flush only to be drawing dead.

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