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Middle Set Line Check 1/3 NLHE Middle Set Line Check 1/3 NLHE

01-30-2023 , 12:47 AM
Table dynamics are fairly passive, a lot of MW pots with tons of limping.

V1 is sitting to my right. He bought in for $500 but has progressively chipped down. I thought he was a better player, but I realized he was getting bored and playing some trash hands. He’s like $300-400 effective.

Hero is YAG who’s likely the youngest at the table, has been raising actively but has shown up with good holding when hands went down to showdown.

Hero is in SB with red 77s. Surprisingly folds to BTN who opens to $12. Hero calls. BB foods.

Flop is 9 3 7ss x.

I check, villain bets $15. I smooth call behind.

Turn 3s. I check, villain checks behind.

River 8x. I check, villain bets $30. Hero ???


One question here - I think checking flop is fine and just smooth calling is good. I think checking turn is fine too. I want to keep V’s range wide and keep his air balls in. My first question is how big should I be check raising the river.

Secondary question - what is V repping and what hands can call a x/r?


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01-30-2023 , 01:07 AM
You could put 77 in your flop donking range. If you check(which certainly is more standard), c/r. You want to start building a pot.

Turn you should lead. There is a lot in his cbet range that he may check behind now. He’s probably done with the hand if he has no pair no spade anyway.

The “keeping villain’s range wide” thinking is more appropriate when you have thin value or bluff catcher type hands. Not a monster.

AP river is obv a raise for value.

You played the hand in a way that wins you a small pot. This is leaving a lot of $ on the table. When you flop this well you should be more focused on targeting the top of his range for max value than milking an extra bet out of his airballs.
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01-30-2023 , 02:17 AM
Your line is OK though you could take the initiative at some point also. This is really a judgement call, Hero would like to push the action at some point but with the button open villain's range is very wide and he could be playing air. If you think villain is reasonably strong then check/raise flop or turn is a good option, represent a draw and you can get called by hands you crush. Donking turn is good here, if villain has air they are probably done with the hand so play like they have something. You can also donk river for a pot sized or slightly larger bet, now your trying to convince your opponent you are bluffing.

On the river I would go $100. Don't expect to get called very often. It's difficult to put him on any range because it's so wide. He could still be playing air trying for a cheap bluff on the river. At the same time he could have a big hand like a flush or straight and be low balling his bet because he thinks your on air. The only really unlikely hands are ones that beat you, if he has a higher boat or quads he probably bets something on the turn since you called flop.
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01-30-2023 , 02:34 AM
I would be raising flop with many of the draws I have here, so it seems criminal to not raise our sets. It also seems like this guy isn't in the mood to fold, especially a strong starting hand on a draw heavy flop.....

I dislike leading turn but concede it is our best option. This is why I don't c/c flop. It is also much easier for him to fold to a c/r ott than otf.

River is very unlikely to get called no matter how much you raise. I would probably settle on something stupid big like $200 and hope it looks super suspect.
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01-30-2023 , 02:53 AM
pf is a must 3 bet to $40-45 vs a button open.
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01-30-2023 , 10:01 AM
Probably prefer to 3b pre against V as described - wide, possibly tilting.

Agree with others above to xr flop. Turn check is pretty unwise, given that V may be heavy on overcards with spades and I think H has more 3x.

AP River: I don't love the spot as JT and 65s get there, as does the slow-played NFD. He can have better boat cooler too. So I'm wondering: what we are targeting for value with a raise here that V can actually call? I think V would just show down his thin value/Ax on a runout favoring H's range. V has more NF, H has more 65 and 3x, maybe equal JT and boats.

Maybe it's mubsy, but I'm just calling here. V line is too weird.
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01-30-2023 , 12:50 PM
Never in love going HU OOP without initiative as I think overall it will be very difficult to be profitable in a raked game. But with a medium pair to a reasonable raise against a guy who might not be playing that well, ok. ETA: I think I would actually just fold small pairs here unless BB is quite loose and we can invite him along; 77 is probably just borderline enough for me to continue as it has some showdown value UI on lots of boards (but can also leak us some money too).

I'm check/raising the flop. I'm basically just hoping he has something worth continuing with and meanwhile thinks we are on one of the many draws available on this board, plus attempting to build as big as pot as possible as quickly as possible. I also want to start getting in money before the board gets scarier and he might possibly check behind a street.

Turn is why I attempt to get in more money on the flop. I actually might even donk smallish on this turn just to make sure money does go in, cuz a checkback is a disaster if he has a hand that might be willing to call two more bets.

I think I would mostly just bet the river after the turn checks thru. It looks like he has given up on his bluffs and meanwhile most people just happily check back showdownable hands on scary boards. As played, I would probably just do a normalish 3x check/raise to like $90 and hope he has something worth paying off with.

This kinda illustrates why preflop is sorta meh. It's very hard to get value OOP without exposing our hand. In fact, even if he pays off the $90 river check/raise, we actually didn't even make up postflop what we needed to if we were purely setmining.

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01-30-2023 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
Probably prefer to 3b pre against V as described - wide, possibly tilting.

Agree with others above to xr flop. Turn check is pretty unwise, given that V may be heavy on overcards with spades and I think H has more 3x.

AP River: I don't love the spot as JT and 65s get there, as does the slow-played NFD. He can have better boat cooler too. So I'm wondering: what we are targeting for value with a raise here that V can actually call? I think V would just show down his thin value/Ax on a runout favoring H's range. V has more NF, H has more 65 and 3x, maybe equal JT and boats.

Maybe it's mubsy, but I'm just calling here. V line is too weird.
Why don't you like that villain could have a straight or a flush?
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01-30-2023 , 07:30 PM
Spoiler:
Hero check raises $110. V mulls it over, and calls. He shows T6cc for rivered straight, and remarks that he didn't even see the boat come in.
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I feel like a huge leak I have is playing with MUBs , but here I feel like I lock up the board by the turn and I have to let him catch him up. I think this Villain would've barreled all three streets with an overpair.

I can see why the line is too passive, especially since the board is fairly wet on the flop.
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01-30-2023 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Why don't you like that villain could have a straight or a flush?
He must have missed that board was paired.
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01-30-2023 , 08:52 PM
Don’t think he has a lot of value hands once the turn goes check check even after a spade comes.

Middle set is good to raise on the flop Since you will likely have draws you can check raise.

I think the river is interesting.. if he’s the type of play to check back a hand as strong as A9 we obv need to bet.

If he’s aggro and goes for value/bluffs often then check raise is good.
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01-30-2023 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fatmanonguitar
He must have missed that board was paired.
I thought that for a minute myself, but he also mentioned the villain could have a better boat.
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01-30-2023 , 11:49 PM
3b pre vs loose guy Btn open, x/r flop as played because you have basically the nuts. Calling is good if he was running huge bluffs frequently, but you just said he played trash and was chipping down slowly, so this wasn't the case. He has millions of draws, 9x and overpairs, these are never folding to the xr. I don't even understand the question about the river, you have a fh and you have yet to take any aggressive action throughout the hand, raise ofc.
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01-31-2023 , 01:40 AM
doubt theres anything u want to flat pre here vs 4x in high rake
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