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Middle set facing donk shove on turn ? Middle set facing donk shove on turn ?

03-20-2015 , 05:11 PM
I have been playing for about a hour. Other than a few tight aggressive regs, the majority of the table are aggressive donks. Massive over-bets, strange and unbelievable bluffs, all-in confrontations ever few hands, and people raising or 3betting 4 or 5 hands per orbit. More or less a spew happy 2/3 game.

During this particular hand no one raises oddly enough. 5 people limp and the small blind completes, and big blind checks. (~$20 in the pot)

Villains:
Utg+3 ($197) behind: Guy has gone all in 3 times in the last 10 minutes. Won one all in and lost the other 2. Bought back for $200
Hijack ($347) behind: Guy has has picked up a number of small pots largely because he's betting 3x or 4x the pot, and most people are playing weak ranges

Hero:
Button ($297) behind and has pocket 4's: Hero has been playing a TAG game, no need to get fancy, people are spewing off money.


Flop (~$20)
2c 4c 9h

Utg+3: bets $15
Hijack: calls $15
Hero on the button: raises to $50, which is the size of the current pot

Turn (~$100)
2c 4c 9h Ks

Utg+3: checks
Hijack: shoves remaining $294
Hero on the button: calls off remaining stack of $247

Did I play this hand right?

Villain in the hijacks line make very little sense. The only hands I am losing to at this point are 99 and KK, which seem highly unlikely given the line that the hijack took. At best he has a set of 2's or perhaps Kc9c, both of which I am ahead.
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03-20-2015 , 05:18 PM
Get all the money in no dobt. Good job
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03-20-2015 , 05:43 PM
Yep, no question. V is usually going to have KcXc here, so you're going to have to dodge a river card. You're almost never not good here, though.
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03-20-2015 , 05:48 PM
Two pair is unlikey as 92, 94 and 42 arent in any ranges except ATC range. Only K9 makes sense. 22 and 99 sets are possible. There's a club draw on board, and maybe some gapped-rag straight and wheel draws as semi-bluffs if he would do that. Or, he spiked a king on the turn and thinks that might be good against the maniac. I doubt he has pocket KK since everyone is calling 3 and 4 bets, he would most likely 3 bet pf.

Not really giving him any more credit for either a 22 or 99 set after he called your flop raise since the raise was small, and the game is playing wild.

In a wild and spewy game I'd call without too much thought.

If you get coolered with a bigger set, wheel or a flush imo that is just variance.
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03-20-2015 , 05:55 PM
I also limp behind at this table.

No one ever folds a flush draw on the flop (especially anyone at this table). Flop contains a flush draw. So I would offer poor 2:1 odds with a big raise on the flop, setting up a turn shove (and a lot of these guys look like they might not fold the turn with a flush draw). So I make it $80+.

I snap call the turn shove.

There is something to be said about "not going broke in a limped pot", but with a hand this strong on this board against these types of wild players, we should be fistpumping here.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-20-2015 , 06:02 PM
Never folding. So GII.

Expect to see alot of KXcc and 2 pair. He will have equity or have us beat.
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03-20-2015 , 07:28 PM
Never folding my set of 4's =d
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03-20-2015 , 08:00 PM
One of those rare opportunities to high five the dealer and gii.
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03-20-2015 , 08:59 PM
Lol huh? Of course you're getting it in here. You beat 100000 million hands and lose to 2 that are super unlikely.
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03-20-2015 , 11:48 PM
Another one of these threads? Not even close, snap!
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03-21-2015 , 12:17 AM
80 is a pot-sized raise not 50.

I don't see how we can be sure that Villain has 99 or KK in this limped pot

I don't have a good handle on what he's calling our raise with or why he's shoving the turn, but still can't fold.

We're raising roughly half pot on the flop (35 into 65), obviously we're assuming he's continuing with more than 99/KK.
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03-21-2015 , 03:24 AM
are you going to make a thread everytime you get coolered?
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03-21-2015 , 08:20 PM
I don't get all these threads asking about folding middle or top sets. These are the easiest threads to respond to. Snap call of course. Not folding sets is a winning strategy.

I think the worst fold I ever made happened when I folded a set, and that was bottom set. It was sickening when I saw that the winner of the hand had top pair.
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03-21-2015 , 10:50 PM
It was only correct if you high fives the dealer.
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03-21-2015 , 10:50 PM
*fived
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03-21-2015 , 11:18 PM
Looks like our hero got his read wrong. Sometimes in really aggressive and spewy table there is a leveling war going on between few villains. But they are smart enough to know hero is playing tight and adjust accordingly. Because its a leveling war they play unpredictably and limping with KKs on hijack is a possibility too. On flop i might have called all in but on turn where 99 and KK beats us, i m not sure. Many times, i have seen Tight players (V1) call my shove with nuts with their TPTK and overpairs after i have won some huge pots with A high, middle pairs etc agaist V2, V3. What V1 doesn't realize is i m on leveling war with V2 and V3 and my ranges against him and V2 and V3 are way different.
This is a crying call. I might find fold sometimes. This is what you get when you get involved in an aggro donkfest. If you want to play against them, have 3-4 buyins ready. Its profitable but high variance game.
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03-21-2015 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by wewa925
Another one of these threads? Not even close, snap!
Fist pump, flip the dealer a couple of chips, put your balls on the table and call.
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03-22-2015 , 12:09 AM
This is a stand up, buy your dealer a drink, and give him a high five call.
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03-22-2015 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ironmikee
Looks like our hero got his read wrong. Sometimes in really aggressive and spewy table there is a leveling war going on between few villains. But they are smart enough to know hero is playing tight and adjust accordingly. Because its a leveling war they play unpredictably and limping with KKs on hijack is a possibility too. On flop i might have called all in but on turn where 99 and KK beats us, i m not sure. Many times, i have seen Tight players (V1) call my shove with nuts with their TPTK and overpairs after i have won some huge pots with A high, middle pairs etc agaist V2, V3. What V1 doesn't realize is i m on leveling war with V2 and V3 and my ranges against him and V2 and V3 are way different.
This is a crying call. I might find fold sometimes. This is what you get when you get involved in an aggro donkfest. If you want to play against them, have 3-4 buyins ready. Its profitable but high variance game.
lol
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03-22-2015 , 02:53 AM
raise more on the flop. obviously call the shove?
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