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10-17-2016 , 09:07 PM
Playing 1-2 cash at local Dog track.
Hero 36 winning player image and a little in the tighter side compared to the table. Only hands I have shown are QQ vs 10 set over set and other good hands were I have won.

Villian is very laggy preflop see a lot of flops and does not overplay hands, can make a fold if feels he is beat. Probably a slightly winner in 1-2 but swings a lot.

8 handed
UTG limps
UTG+1 limps
UTG +2 limps
CO limps
HJ limps
Hero in Button 1350 behind
KoQo raises to 16$
Villian SB calls 900$ behind
BB folds

UTG folds
UTG+2 calls
HJ calls 230$ behind


70$ pre-flop

Flop comes KxQx10x

SB checks
UTG +2 checks
HJ donks out 20$
I raise to 45$
Villian calls
UTG +2 folds
HJ calls.
(I min raise because players at this table a very scared and if any of them had a nutted hand they would reraised my hand, I feel HJ has a J of some sorts or a weak top pair) (Villian in my opinion has at least a pair with a draw KJ, QJ, J10, Q10, or maybe K10 or 1010 but I feel a thing stronger then that he would of reraised me on the flop I.E. AJ or J9)

205$ on the turn.

Turn is a 3 making it K,Q,10,3 rainbow.

SB checks
HJ Checks
Hero bets 90$ on turn
Villian SB calls 770$ behind
HJ folds

( At this point I feel I'm ahead)

380$ in pot

River is a K filing me up.

Villian checks dark And I feel Villian can't be to strong so I pot the river betting 400$

Too much? Or less? I feel I get value from some if villians hands AJ, J9, AK K10, KJ.
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10-17-2016 , 09:24 PM
You think villain donked $20 into a $70 pot with a J and you only raised to $45 making it $25 to him with a $135 pot? That's insane. That doesnt even include the other guy calling your $45 which actually gives the HJ 9:1 odds to call your tiny raise.

If HJ really has a J, your turn bet is WAY too small also.

On the river you think the remaining villain "cant be too strong" so you make a massive $400 bet in a 1/2 game? Youre logic is illogical.
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10-17-2016 , 09:29 PM
flop raise is way too small
turn sizing is reasonable, but could prolly go bigger for value
if we raise the flop bigger as we should then the turn should be bigger

your river logic is beyond terrible

Quote:
Originally Posted by RunningPepsi
And I feel Villian can't be to strong so I pot the river betting 400$
what?....
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10-17-2016 , 11:19 PM
Pre raise sizing is a little too small as well. I typically do 3x + 1bb per limper. I'd prob go to 20 or 24 based on table dynamic. Flop raise is way too small on such a wet board multiway. In the rare case that you are behind, you'll likely find out here, but in most cases you're way ahead and should start getting max value here. Turn is meh, could bet a little bigger. River bet is awful. Small value or small bluff inducing bet is way better, although I highly doubt you ever get raised here so I'd bet around half pot and hope to get called by Kx or heroed by 2 pair
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10-18-2016 , 12:08 PM
Pre is fine, could be a little bigger.

Flop raise is no bueno. Wet board, multi-way. Want to get max value, I'm raise/folding here to like 3/4 pot. If we are 3 bet by anyone after the raise, it's too strong a line to continue with top two this deep.

On the turn when we are pretty sure we're ahead I want to bet more in order to set up for stacks on the river. I want to continue to charge the pair +draws that didnt get there on the turn.

On the river, I want to bet either 1/2 pot to get called by medium strength hands, or overbet all in. I find that if a player is going to call your pot sized bet, an "all in" without moving any chips over the line is like the same level of intimidation, maybe even less.
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