Game has been typical soft live game with plenty of limpers and loose callers. Villain sat 2 spots to my right with full $300 bi. He has been pounding the table for about an hour. I've stayed mostly out of his way, except one hand I opened utg and got called by Villain (sb) and by a fish (bb). On 2-tone flop A89 he c-r 1.5x and folded to my large 3-bet. He showed A (I assume J kicker from his comments).

About 15 minutes later this hand comes up.

ep limper, Villain ($600) isolates to $12,
Hero ($1K) QQ raises $40. Folded around and villain flats.

Flop: $80
T56
Villain($560) checks
Hero($960) bets $55.
Villain Raises to $110. Hero flats.

Turn: $300
T566
Villain($450) checks, Hero($850) ?

So he check raises marginal holdings and now check's the turn after c/r on the flop? If stacks were smaller it's an easy shove. I think I check it back here. We have a good hand but not good enough to play for stacks 300bb's deep. I check back turn and make a small $100 value bet if checked to on a blank river. If he shoves river I might be able to find a fold depending on what hits. 300bb deep facing weird aggression with an overpair is definitely a nightmare scenario for me.

A $100 river bet begs to be check-raised. I check back here and call/bet ~225.

betting 180 inducing. Im snapping obviously. It also gives villain a river spot where he has to call 270 to win 700 if he just calls. He wont be thinking about that though, hel see a good price on the turn and isnt thinking about what it will cost him on the river.

the turn 6 just removed one of his sets from his range severely, that leaves only 1010 and 55, which JJ is still more likely. i dont expect AA and KK to min c/r and then check turn either especially given the action.

Why are people checking back the turn?? I bet small to induce here given reads, and am definitely willing to stick it in with QQ if he comes over the top.

so you are willing to chunk 300 bb into a hand when you have nothing better than qq?

lets say you bet small and you do get check raised again....i really dont think this is a fist pump call. OP said this guy is aggro....he didnt say he was a total jackass. In fact villain already folded once to OP

Now OP has re-raised PF. You dont think villain noticed this? OP has exactly what villain probably thinks he has. So - if OP bets turn and gets check raised again...he is probably beat.

Turn: $300
T566
Villain($450) checks, Hero($850) bets $190

At this point villain studies for what seems like 5 minutes.
Villain moves all-in.
Hero tanks for about 2 minutes, villain calls clock.
Hero?

Youre nearly always good on this turn. Being worried about a boat here is monsters under the bed.

Villains range here is likely T-x, 77-88, JJ, and wiffed overcards.

The only reason to check here is to induce a bluff on the river if we think Villain doeasnt have much.

If youre looking to induce I think you need to bet more like $80, not $180. I really dont think Villain would be dumb enough to dbl c/r with air here given the action so far. But I still wouldnt bet to small cuz if he c/shoves I might level myself into calling. Just bet $160-$190 here for value imo.

Do you have any more info on villain at all other than the fact that hes been aggro and showed u he folded an A on A98?

If he tank-shoved then called the clock I would have to think theres a good chance hes not that strong. He wouldnt have taken that long to ship a boat, and he wouldnt have called clock if he wanted you to call. Maybe T-x or KJ type hand. All that plus history = call for me.

it all boils down to what you think he aggressiveness is late in hands.

there are some guys who splash around and bet strong early in hands but back off later. That is until they hit a big hand or get dealt AA. And they can play for stacks cause they know the other gy doesnt believe they actually have a hand.


If my read is that the guy is aggro - but seems to have an idea on how not to take it too far....i would be a bit worried.

if i think he is a spewtard....i play it all the way.

Just seems like the way you described him - he may fall into the first category.

Villain was in his early 30s. He was shuffling his chips and doing a few chip swirls while at the table. He told story of playing heads up last night with drunk fish who passed out while beating him for about $200. He had come back tonight to see if fish was there. Villain wore several square metal rings, including thumb ring, dressed in trendy outfit.

turn is a pretty easy check.

as played this is an incredibly easy call, you're committed to the pot and it's not even close. I would've called clock too.

The only other hand of interest with villain is a 3 way pot where villain isolated otb, I called from bb with KQo and limper called. Flop Q58 rainbow I ck, limper bets about 1/2 pot, villain calls, I call. Turn T I check, limper bets about 1/2 pot, villain folds, I call. River low card I bet small, limper calls with QJ.

Yeah I was thinking this too. It just seems like such a stupid thing to do but I'm sure people do it.

What a wierdo. He just comes to the table and totally advertizes his own poker stories and his hands when he makes big folds? I dunno man. This just seems like the kind of guy who wants to sit down and try to pull off big bluffs in spots where bluffing would be really stupid.


But let me guess OP, you called and he tabled KK?

Villain double check raises us what kind of fxxxing line is this. I'm confused I want to say its nuts or air. Stuff like this I just fold.

After feeling a little sick and counting how much it was to me, my first thought was to call. However I was a bit confused to say the least, and paused to go through the action.

He did psych me out a bit when he called the clock, considering how long he had tanked. I had a hard time deciding what it meant, whether it was some reverse psychology or maybe him just scared of me having cut out the chips and contemplating.

Anyhow his line was very sick. In the end, my suspicion of him, his super long tank and the pot size convinced me to call.

Lmao you got lucky. Great call you sure needed that Q. I sure would have not called.

lol, guaranteed u were good the whole way. No way you 2 outer him in a 600bb pot on the river and he snap mucks and leaves quietly.

nh

the only thing that would veer me into calling is the long tank. i mean who the f uck tanks for 5 minutes with the nuts and then c/r's -- that is super bad slow roll form? otherwise, a check min raise followed by another check raise when the board pairs should equal the uber nuts.

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You would think so, but then again who the hell dbl c/r's the nuts in live poker. This guy was just a bluffy FPS-bot. OP's discription with him raise/folding top pair and showing, and telling everybody at the table that he plays hu and being 30yo and wearing a bunch of rings... it just all makes sense.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...r-fold-946338/

Actually, this guy did. I don't think it's slowrolling if it gets a call. Just good poker IMO. I got my ass outplayed here. If he had auto shoved I might have found a fold but in the course of his tank I was so convinced he was trying to talk himself into calling with a hand I beat that I couldn't get off the read when he shoved.

tanking for a "couple of minutes" is understandable and fair game. 5 minutes is a complete eternity and a half.

this maniac triple c/r'ed me a few weeks ago -- albeit the last c/r was like a minraise, lol. the first and only time i've been triple check / raised live or online from what i remember anyway lmao. needless to say he had the nuts, and me the second nuts. he was a maniac to boot too, but even still, i should have gotten away from it.

edit: and by maniac, he limp raised, and 5-bet shoved over my 4-bet preflop with pocket twos, 200 bb deep and got there against my "cry call" with KK, ahahahha.

^ lol
Ive seen more royal flushes in my life than triple c/r's. I thought "clicking buttons" was only possible online. I would love to see how that hand played out. Must be funny as shyt.

OP, I think you failed pretty badly in this hand. Just think of it like this: what percent of your stack did you get involved preflop. And what % did you get involved postflop? Villain is not going to put in a tiny % preflop, then put in a huge % postflop unless he can beat tp or an overpair.