I know I'm a 2+2 noob, and probably a fish/flying fish strat wise (thats why I'm here!), but this seems really backwards to me. SO here we go-

I feel like we want to define their range at least as much as we can. Especially when our hand strength is so mediocre. Seems way better than playing blind against a bunch of random junk with basically just kinda good junk for our hand. Plus, if they are playing junk, shouldnt we charge them?

Arent we playing our position here anyway? We want to raise to get to 1-2 way right? At least hopefully, and obv table dependent, but if we cant get 1-2 way with a raise should we be playing these hands at all? We want to get position with a raise, and take the lead against players who have already made it clear they dont want the lead by limping. Sure the hands we are playing might flop well, but not that often, we are winning more here by seeing when they are weak right? Doesnt tightening their range by raising in pos widen ours, and make the flop easier to read for us and harder for them?

I guess I agree with some of the later stuff about using this as an opportunity to get up against fit/fold types with pos. Overall I feel like we should not be playing these medium K's and Q's that often. And not even for MUB, like the limp call with AK routine even though it is weirdly popular, but just because people dont like to fold at 1-2/1-3, and KJ QT dont make the best hand over another good one that often. I see 55 and 66 differently, but thats probably a leak for me, as i cant seem to get over playing them uberpasive w/out a set...

Take me apart now, I feel good about this one, prob a sign that I'm way off base, so please, do your worst...

People who say you should always raise in this spot or always limp are wrong. What matters most is how much fold equity you have. If you have a decent chance of getting heads up, then raise big everytime. Note that if you raise this you can't do it half assed and raise only 5-7bb, you gotta make it 10+bb in this spot to actually get it heads up. If even one person is a huge calling station then just limp because once one calls they all call. The worst mistake LAGs and sometimes TAGs make is betting with these types of hands, KNOWING full well that itll still end up multiway. If you know they're all gonna call why bet, all you're doing is bloating the pot with a drawing hand when you could have limped in for cheap.

Having a nitty table image will chip up your stack pretty quickly.

These 3 are all hands I would limp about 80% if there is 4 or 5 limpers in front. With 1 limper I would raise. This is of course dependent on the buttons habitual action of whether or not the pot is getting raised everytime it is limped to him if the button is likely to fold or limp behind I will limp. If the blinds are habitual raisers I don´t mind limp calling as much plus I get more respect when its checked to me and I can pick up the pot by betting in position.

Multi-way pots I tend to play more straightforward and only c-betting made hands and draws, while being slightly looser with my cbets if I have absolute position.

You originally said these hands are either raise or fold. Which also means that you'd rather fold them than limp them.

Don't get me wrong. Under the correct conditions, I'm all for raising. But stating that these are raise or fold hands after limpers (which means fold > call) seems pretty wrong at almost every table I play it. i.e. raise/limp (depending on table conditions) >>> fold, imo.

This is one of the things I struggled with initially, especially coming from limit where I'm used to pounding any small advantage I have preflop. I figured that if I'm limping mediocre hands just like everyone else, then what's the difference between me and the poorer players? I've decided the difference is in postflop poker, in that we pass on the smallish mistakes the villains will make preflop (and, really, against our marginal hand in what will likely be a multiway pot, they are making a fairly small mistake even if OOP, and I would argue perhaps not even making one at all if we see a 5+ way flop) in exchange for huge mistakes they will make postflop (where they will put in far too many chips when behind plus put in far too few chips when ahead).