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[LOW] 1-2 300bb with JJ in CO, HU on Q87Jds [LOW] 1-2 300bb with JJ in CO, HU on Q87Jds

10-17-2022 , 10:33 PM
Villain older asian guy started off straddling constantly, lost a bunch and then won a big pot with JTo vs. AA on T54 when V raised $35 bet to $135 and called the extra $120 and a J hit the turn.

Hero's (MAWG) image is maybe weird, first hand he played he raised K5 to 20 in CO against a couple of callers to a mississippi BTN straddle (V before the win), 4 way flop of Qx74, hero fires 40 and only BTN straddle calls, turn is 6 and hero shoves for 65, V snaps and shows AQ, K hits the river.
Since then hero has been tight and had+bet the best hand but nobody folded to him so is up piles.


On to the hand...

Hero CO: $900+ (bought in for $300)
V BTN: ~$600 (maybe up $100)

3-4 limpers
H has JJ and makes it $15 (CO)
V calls
everyone else folds...

Flop: Q87 ... pot ~$40
Hero ( double checks JJ), and thinks 10-30 seconds and checks.
V bets $20 fairly quickly.
Hero calls fairly quickly.

H hasn't opened much since the K5s hand (less than 90mins) and V has folded probably 50% of the time he did which I'd guess is normal, so probably no revenge ranges but normal "I like to see flops" 1-2 BTN ranges.

Hero doesn't love this flop, but figures V will bet pretty wide here if not almost everything. Hero expects to get to river unless a spade or A hit turn, hoping V doesn't fire 3 barrels without a Q+.


Turn: Q87 J ... pot ~$80
Hero checks.
V bets $35 ($500 and some extra behind)
Hero feels like V would bet more if he had T9 but can easily have any T or 9 hand as well as any other draw or pair. Hero can obviously be wrong though.


Spoiler:

Not a real spoil ... but hero does not fold or call ... so what size?
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10-17-2022 , 10:44 PM
Hero raises to 120.
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10-17-2022 , 10:57 PM
I'd get money into the pot.
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10-17-2022 , 11:58 PM
For sure not folding. I wouldn't check this flop as there are plenty of hands we are beating that can call. I would look to check/call middle pairs along with some of the weaker Qx hands. As played on the turn I would raise, but there's no need to raise big here because we want a call, I would go 2.5x maybe a little more. I would raise to 80-90 leaning towards 90. If villain shoves here I am calling. If villain calls my turn raise I am betting small (about 40%) on all rivers and only folding on a 9, T, or spade. Depending on my in game reads I would probably find a call on a spade river.
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10-18-2022 , 03:57 AM
Villain *probably* has nothing (what good hands are betting less than half pot on this board?), but we're only getting paid if he's strong, so we should play as though he is. A raise to $140 would set you up for a pot-sized shove on the River, so that's what I'm shooting for, hoping he has 77, 88, QJ, AQ, etc.

If we do this, on the River, we shove all bricks, and all our boats/quads, of course. Don't see how you have any other option beyond bet-folding $150 if a scare-card hits--maybe bet-calling sometimes depending on the specific scare card (we can probably bet-call an As).
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10-18-2022 , 09:08 AM
Raises to $130-$150
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10-19-2022 , 07:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by larry the legend
Raises to $130-$150
Folding to a shove I take it?
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10-19-2022 , 08:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grease
Folding to a shove I take it?
Im not sure we can fold to this V given the past hand description. He seems to overvalue hands. And continue wide. I would not snap call, would probably need to be in the game to determine what to do if jammed on. But he has more combos of 109 than any sets given his past play so not loving that

Im not sure this is a spot I could ever fold to this V without a strong read
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10-19-2022 , 10:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by larry the legend
Im not sure we can fold to this V given the past hand description. He seems to overvalue hands. And continue wide. I would not snap call, would probably need to be in the game to determine what to do if jammed on. But he has more combos of 109 than any sets given his past play so not loving that

Im not sure this is a spot I could ever fold to this V without a strong read
He could overvalue a straight and have pretty great equity against us. We would only beat two pair if he thinks he’s value betting, I would hate for him to shove over us but calling seems really nitty.
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10-19-2022 , 10:40 AM
Seems like V has made a blocker bet on turn to price his draw.

I would raise turn.
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10-19-2022 , 11:13 PM
Spoiler:

So as said in the mini spoiler, hero wanted to raise turn. Mostly ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Villain *probably* has nothing (what good hands are betting less than half pot on this board?), but we're only getting paid if he's strong, so we should play as though he is.
...but also he might want to call light, and/or call with good draws so I should charge them. Any raise looks strong and I don't have a lot that aren't T9, so that isn't great. Initial thought was to just add $100 so it'd be $135, but then thought it needed to be less random and a bit bigger due to his small sizing and so I can shove blank rivers so decided on $155 ...
Spoiler:

and villain snap folded.

Maybe too big, but villain folds a lot anyway, so eh. Also wasn't 100% on what I'd do if he shoved, but that didn't come up either.

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