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02-05-2012 , 07:32 PM
Same table as this thread.

3 Loose passive ******s and me.

This guys officialy suck at poker. They call every suited cards, fit or fold, never play back at you and never raise w/o the nuts. I'm betting every second hand for past 3 hours and they don't mind it.

The hand:
Hero is BU [$500] is dealt 73 raises to $10.
Villain is SB [$300] calls $10.
Flop:
A42

Villain check calls $10. (They don't pay attention to cbet sizing, if they don't hit they fold, so I'm just betting the minimum to win this if he missed).
Turn:
A425

Villain check calls $35.
Flop:
A425Q

Villain bets $35. ($220 behind).
Hero ..?

Hope no one is calling here, the question is - how much do you raise?
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02-05-2012 , 08:02 PM
Due to villain c/c 35 OTT, then leading out 35 OTR, I make it ~80-100 and expect to see some A/X 2p or maybe even A3
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02-06-2012 , 12:25 AM
Really depends on how much they value their hands. There is an obvious straight on the board and any raise looks strong. I could see a minraise here if they are not likely to pay off and if they super over value a hand like 2pr we could go for more.
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02-06-2012 , 01:08 AM
I make it like 125 or so.
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02-06-2012 , 04:29 AM
depends on your image, i might just make some sort of redculus overbet to like $200 but I know i make it atleast $100. They dont expect u to raise to $10 pre with a 3 so they will think its bluffy...also $200 only has to be calle half as often as $100 to have the same profitability.
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02-06-2012 , 05:39 AM
Villain bet $35 into a pot of $110? Egads. You probably couldn't believe your luck.

Normally I'd raise to $120 or so, but I can't imagine villain calling with the obvious straight on the board unless he has the only hand that beats you. So maybe just min-raise or so to $70 and expect to see a lot of 2-pair hands?

Also....fold pre. Seriously. 73? I don't care how bad the table is; that's just going to encourage bad habits...
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02-06-2012 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragon Ash
Villain bet $35 into a pot of $110? Egads. You probably couldn't believe your luck.

Normally I'd raise to $120 or so, but I can't imagine villain calling with the obvious straight on the board unless he has the only hand that beats you. So maybe just min-raise or so to $70 and expect to see a lot of 2-pair hands?

Also....fold pre. Seriously. 73? I don't care how bad the table is; that's just going to encourage bad habits...
massively disagree. keep playing anything even remotely playable at this table.
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02-06-2012 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragon Ash
Villain bet $35 into a pot of $110? Egads. You probably couldn't believe your luck.

Normally I'd raise to $120 or so, but I can't imagine villain calling with the obvious straight on the board unless he has the only hand that beats you. So maybe just min-raise or so to $70 and expect to see a lot of 2-pair hands?

Also....fold pre. Seriously. 73? I don't care how bad the table is; that's just going to encourage bad habits...
Disagree, IP I can muck all my hands at showdiwn and still show a profit, because this guys are playbook illustrations of fit or fold lp fish. They don't adjust, they are purely lvl 1 thinkers (and have trouble reading hands correctly). I'm just running over this table, and no one even tries to play back at me. Again I'll play null null OTB at this table.
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02-06-2012 , 06:14 AM
With your image I might go for a shove here. If you bet 120 he knows you're never folding to a shove so you must have a good hand. If you min raise to 70 you really seem to be value owning him but are possibly leaving money on the table.

However, when you shove it really polarizes your range. In his head hell say "well, either he's got the 3 or hes got nothin." and you'll be surprised at how many times donks talk themselves into calls here.

Only problem with this logic is...most donks hear the words all in and soil themselves.

If he's a scared money donk- bet $75
If he's not- shove 60% of the time, bet $75 30% and $125 10%
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02-06-2012 , 06:24 AM
Is he really calling $220 that much less than he's calling $125? They're purely level 1 thinkers. They probably don't even think about how much the raise is. They think "I have 2 pair, I have to call."
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02-06-2012 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerIsFrustrating
Is he really calling $220 that much less than he's calling $125? They're purely level 1 thinkers. They probably don't even think about how much the raise is. They think "I have 2 pair, I have to call."
Ditto

I would rather sacrifice the $35 your losing from the times he calls the min raise, for a very good chance of stacking him given your image and your polarized range. Go for the shove.
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02-06-2012 , 01:08 PM
Shove. Scared money might fold a 3, fearing the 3 6. Anyone else pays you off with 2 pair or better, maybe even a big ace.
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02-06-2012 , 02:15 PM
shove bc of image.
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02-06-2012 , 02:30 PM
Shove here. shove is in line with your table image to get called a high percentage. One unlikely hand with 3 combos beats you. If he has called pre vs a raise with 36 suited than so be it. he most likely has two pair, and will make a level one call.
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02-07-2012 , 02:54 AM
Hmm I was really surprised by the fact that at start people adovocated as small as minraising. I'm a maniac, he has shown that he loves his hand, we have effective nuts, what else do you guys need to go for max value?

I showed and got quickly called by AQ.
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