villain seems to winning reg from what i hear a live pro opens a lot of pots not scared money has shown down a missed 96s FD he 3 barreled on 23ss74J and bricked vs another villain.
he 3b from SB

views me as internet micro donk has seen me call a 3b vs someone with J8o i flopped 2pair J8x and stacked a guys AQo that shipped over my raise

stacks $750 effective

1 limper
i iso 20 on BTN with KQo
villain makes it 75
i call $55

pot 160
flop 337r

Villain checks
hero bets $80
villain does a "lil Hrrmmm" looks confused and calls $80

pot $320
turn Qx no fd

i bet $180
villain sits up says "going to send me home early?" *scratchs head* makes like a hrmm face shakes head and calls $180

pot $680
river 2x

villain goes all in and looks at board without saying anything.
$415 to call


thoughts appreciated

You are not winning this hand. Showing down a missed FD after 3 barrels is very VERY different from him 3b, c/c twice oop with no draws on board and then shipping river for 2/3rd pot.

I really hate your turn bet here. You aren't getting any calls from worse hands here. He's not checking that flop with 88-JJ. You caught a nice turn that got you ahead of AK. Just check it back and call a bet almost always on the river. I wouldn't be surprised to see 77 here a lot of the time.

fold.... Villain views u as a bad player? Then does a speech mmmm warning bells for me. The turn bet is bad in this spot

If villain is sorta spazzy i'd bet thin on the turn like 85 or 105 for thin merge, at this size we are probably making a poor bet.

Easy fold, turn bet is fine. But it might be better to check back and bet the river.

so it's ok for villain to get a free card?
i'm confused which is better here..
i've always been a player who likes to protect my hand even top pair hands..then re-evaluate it once raised..
but then again i'm a newbie..

was this last night? (I was there playing 5/5)

I don't mind the turn bet - takes it down is he was floating, but when he calls, I'm shutting down without a really helpful river card.

so fold - if he's floated twice and taken it off you, then nh sir, but as played, with the winces and speeches, it's not worth your stack

Don't think so concretely that you can never ever give a free card. Ask yourself, what hands does villain have in his range here that here after 3-betting pre and check-calling the flop? How vulnerable are we to those has he might have which we are now ahead of? There is no point in betting this turn.

Fooooold. He's making a huge bet with the nuts or close to it here. I expect 77 and QQ here a lot. I would check back the flop here bc vil thinks you're a donk and he's checking a hugely profitable cbet spot against donks on the flop. Imo he has a big hand.

Since he views you as week he's also prob not leveling you with 'the speech'

i have absolutely no idea how anyone could ever fold here. easiest call ever

I dont hate pre, or flop, but turn you should check back as you have showdown value and no idea what he has. Id say it is less likely a flush draw as he would take the lead at some point. As played id fold river. I see a lot of people saying call, which is fine I just think youre beat in this spot and can save 400$

I'm actually quite interested to hear how you were able to call a 3bet in a straddled pot with the J8o. All jokes aside, it could have some relevance here.

As for this hand, I can't really find a worse hand that takes this line. JJ/TT raises pre, or is unlikely to c/c turn and shove river. QJ/QT doesn't l/3b pre and c/c flop.

By contrast, I can find several hands that beat us that take this line. A3/33/77/AQ. Also, from what position did villain limp in? This is important. For example, if he's EP then we can include AA/KK in his range.

Based on all this (and especially after he shoves the river 2 when he Hollywooded OTF and OTT), I don't think I call.

I also think checking turn is best. When you bet turn, you're announcing that you're ok playing for stacks. Putting in $180 means that you've put in almost half your stack. You shouldn't be folding after that. If you thought you were ahead OTT, then the river was a beautiful brick as nothing changed.

When you bet the turn, you should be prepared and willing to call a c/r or a river shove. If you're not prepared to do this, then checking back is best.

The Q is a great card for us and a bad one for villain. It's hard for him to call with worse. If we're ahead, then villain has few outs. Checking back allows us to bluff catch OTR. Betting bloats the pot uncomfortably for our hand and opens us up to tough situations like this one, or if say villain CRAI on us.

What is the purpose of the flop bet? What worse hands call? What better hands fold?

You called a 3b with J8o 100bb effective?

I think this is a fold. We only beat a bluff, and villain has to be bluffing 28% of the time. Noone else thinks its plausible for villain to show QQ-AA here? I would play QQ-AA the same way villain did vs hero. If hero is the type of player who calls 3bets with J8 and bets 1/2 pot with KQo on a 773 board with <100BBs, I'm checking QQ-AA every time on this board.

IMO he can show up with A3s, AQ, QQ-AA easily here. AKo is possible, but unlikely. Double float and turn the hand into a bluff? Yeah, maybe rarely. I suppose 77 is possible too, but its a strange hand to 3b OOP from a live pro.

Anyways, hes double floating and jamming AKo/air less than 28% of the time. Line makes sense for A3s, AQ, QQ-AA.

I mentioned it, but it's dependent on what position villain limped in from. If it's in EP, then we can add it in his range. If he open-limped from say, the HJ, then I think it's a lot less likely...unless Hero is known to raise his BN a very high % of the time.

Didn't villain cold 3b from the SB?

I think u should fold pre

I think the 3bet from the SB was the history hand. Sounds like villain limp/3bet in the actual hand.

Are you kidding me with your preflop line? Fold or 4bet to 180/fold

i'd fold pre-flop and check back the turn as well. as played, fold river; it seems like he's really strong here and i don't see any information to support him taking this line with a hand we beat.

Fold pre. Check back flop. Check back turn. Value bet river when checked to. Played this bad, IMO.

fold, villain knows you're a fish and will never bluff here.

- you're calling 3bets with terrible hands. especially KQo... easy fold to 3b.
- you bet flop... repping nothing. bet turn??
- you actually think you're good on the river?

for those saying this is a call I'm not sure why villain would do this as a bluff ever as we have bet flop/turn and have given no indication that we are going to fold to a river shove, so this has to be a value hand a large % of the time.

villain doesn't really have anything that missed on this dry board or or not sure how he would have gotten to the river like this w/0 something.

I would expect to see a FPS played AA, KK here alot

just as an aside, if villain sees you as bad I dont think he is bluff 3betting here too much, granted his value 3betting range might be larger but Im not sure if KQ fares well vs that range.

PF is whatever. If he is 3betting pretty light we can call. But we will have to pick the pot up sometimes when we both flop nothing.

Flop bet is fine. You can credibly rep any of the medium pps which would be betting here against a light 3-bettor that checked that flop.

Turn is obviously a good vbet. Checking back the turn is okay too. Its pretty close between the two IMO.

River is snap-fold. This river is a good example of a time people will say an opponent is "polarized" because he has a pretty narrow value range. But in order to be polarized he would need to have a bluff range. I don't see what he could be bluffing with here and most people at 5/5 aren't capable of a bluff there anyways.