Hero, white 26 year old male, playing pretty loose biggest winner at the table so far known as a winner pretty reg table.
Villain is older white male, think he's a teacher doesn't play that often. Pretty tight player.

2500 effective stacks, hero opens to 30 on btn with ac ah

Villain calls in bb.

Flop aq7ss. Hero bets 30 v tanks for 30 secs and calls.
Turn jc hero bets 105 and v c/r to 325.

Hero?



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We can't do anything but call??

Well wanted to know if it was better to raise now to try to get stacks in so a scare card doesn't hit since the v is so tight



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Larger OTF for sure.
Any thing we beat would have c/r the flop, I like a call.

Am I out of my mind to say min raise

I like a call. Yeah, it would be nice to get another bet in the times villain has 77/A7/QJ, but villain also has all 16 of his KT combos which he plays this way every time.

Given how hard we crush the board, I don't mind your flop sizing. I wouldn't mind checking back either.

Are you saying villain has KT 100% of the time?

if we had bottom set maybe 3b is best, but we block tons of the hands we are actually ahead of ott. call turn

Okay, thanks so next question. I call and river is 10, which obv discounts a few k10 combos and he leads for 275... lol. Is a raise/fold correct here or just a call?

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Raise/fold river is best ainec.

What kind of sick games do you guys play in where raise/folding this river even enters your mind?

I typically size large otf bevause top pair isn't changing and villain calling range should be fairly inelastic.

What do you mean? What other Kx hands does V have here besides KT? Our perceived range also includes busted spade draws as bluffs...

Well, I didn't decide to r/f because honestly didn't think I could get a call from this villain but this blocker bet from most weaker players is normally never a straight it's always a hand trying to get to show down and I'm known as somebody who can run some big $$ bluffs so could get called by a few of the players in the pool. But yeah I decided I was never getting called ao I just called and the v had qq

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Yeah alot of people would tank call a min raise praying I missed a flush. Honestly if I had like 56 spades I would raise this river feeling like I was getting a ton of folds. (Obv a little bigger than a min raise)

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No, not 100% sure he can have worse but the question is will a "pretty tight player" call a raise with worse OTT.
If we had more hand history on this player from OP then our line could deff change as well as ranges.

Yes we nearly always have the best hand with his lol sizing but that doesnt mean you autoraise. You raise when you can get called by worse. If you can profitably value raise a set on a 4liner then you are playing in better games than me.

Seeing that he had QQ and wanting to raise is extremely results oriented. The whole reason he blocker bets is because he is scared of the completed straight. Unless villain is a drunk/Asian/whale you are never getting called by worse.

Agreed. This v isn't calling but meant for the future against different type of opponents.

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Okay, so my question to you is a bad tight player, has like aq,a7,77,qq,k10 and maybe once in a while qj. I think he continues with k 10 , aq, qq and 77, so is that enough hands that I beat to raise turn?

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Or is there a mathematical way to see if it is plus ev combo wise?

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I think the most interesting spot is the flop actually which is a super basic spot that comes up zillions of times. We smash flop in a heads up pot with position. Basically we've been given the world. Check...1/2 pot...pot?

I think I 80-100% flop because the hands that are calling (Ax, flush draws, straight draws) are very rarely c/r an A high flop and are also not folding to a single cbet to a BTN pfr. This is different from say TT on T63cc where we can size to induce a large range that will c/r, top pair will change often and sometimes improve V's range, we barrel more of our range on T63 so for lol balance sizing can be smaller, etc.

The only part of V's range we get value from with a small sizing is Qx/7x and I doubt Qx is folding anyways and if it is that's great for our range here.

Okay yeah went 40 into 65. Maybe 50 us better like you said if they are calling they're calling any sizing on flop.

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Betting this small or checking back flop is insane. Nobody is folding a Queen here for a near pot-sized bet. You have to bet more. This would have also made it easier to raise the turn because he shouldn't have called a pot-sized bet with a gutshot on the flop. River is a pretty easy just call. What games do some of you guys play in that you can raise/fold and get called by worse here?

The only thing more silly than raising his turn bet is raising his river bet.

Suprised I'm the only one so far that thinks raising river is correct. So for you guys that think V is folding everything but Kx here then that means we should be turning everything worse than AQ into a bluff right since he is folding so much of his range?

His river sizing makes me want to ~ min-pop.

His tank on the flop makes me want to at least strongly consider getting more (all) money in on the turn.

--> unsophisticated players usually have big hands/not gut shots (unless it was rfd, so 1 combo) when they tank to that cbet and then c/r turn. They also rarely ever bet less on the river with the nuts than they made it on the turn (with the nuts), no matter how the board ran out.

I feel like I woulda played a bigger pot, but then again I'm pretty F silly and I sometimes struggle with the "really? I opened button with AA, flopped a set hu against the bb, he thought for a while with a gutshot to my baby cbet (wtf was he thinking about in this nothing pot?), he binked the gutter immediately and I have to bluff-catch the rest of the way with the second nuts on this wet ass board with my laggy image? really???"

Perfect answer thought knly hand he tank calls with that I'm losing to is k10 ss

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