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11-08-2014 , 11:41 AM
HI FIVE BET
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11-08-2014 , 11:43 AM
Fold
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11-08-2014 , 11:46 AM
Grunch:

3bet smaller imo
Flat the 4bet and mostly set mine.
It's $200 more, with $2,700 behind and IP.
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11-08-2014 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Olaff

What's your recipe given this?
I think at this point the cookbook says fold. (Which is weird because I don't think i'm ever folding here, though I think it's the right play.) Your goal here is to think one step ahead of him. Since both ranges are skewed towards monsters, if you call to setmine, he's going to be wary of cards that give your range sets. So it may seem like a good way to try to bluff him off KK/AA if the board comes out with a 10 or a Q, but bluffing someone off a strong range is never a winning strategy in the long run. Plus he could have the hand that you are trying to rep. I also highly doubt that you are ever going to get his whole stack since he's if your set does come out (which you need to in order to setmine here). Though being in position does make it a bit easier. Which means that you should try to bluff him if scare cards come out. (Insert recursive loop here until head explodes)

Since ranges are so tight, I think this is just a math question and therefore a fold. If there was a normal TAG to LAG 3-bet dynamic then its a call.

Once you get to 5/10 solid reg wars, preflop questions on this forum lose their value a bit honestly since we don't have all the information you do.
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11-08-2014 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Citi
HI FIVE BET
If the dynamic is otherwise as described AND villain's range is JJ+ AQ+ then we have a basically automatic 5bet because he's just going to fold too much. Which is why he's not actually 4betting us nearly that wide.
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11-08-2014 , 03:57 PM
Flat>>>Fold>>>>>>>>>5bet

We're deep and in position. Why fold when we can at least setmine, and why 5bet and overrep/turn our hand face up/bloat the pot/give V option to raise?
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11-09-2014 , 12:11 AM
So anytime we have a pocket pair we have to call vs this player simply because we are getting 15x? Sounds like a great way to leak away chips because we can never reasonably expect to play for stacks as a favorite.
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11-09-2014 , 09:12 AM
Do we think as a "good LAG" that he's 4-betting the tightest guy at the table light? V probably shouldn't be as you always have a strong range.
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11-09-2014 , 12:00 PM
I would tend to 3bet preflop to $90 and call the 4bet to set mine/see what develops. Calling preflop is also fine if you think you play poorly postflop in large pots, although you will never get experience in those situations if you never engage in them.

My general plan would be to float more Qxx and lower flops with plans to fold on the turn if he continues firing. If I flop a set, I will also call. If it comes Axx or Kxx, I will usually make a snug fold to a cbet. If he checks the flop, I will usually check behind to pot control/induce bluffs/not get owned.
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11-09-2014 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Chop4Lop
Do we think as a "good LAG" that he's 4-betting the tightest guy at the table light? V probably shouldn't be as you always have a strong range.
If villain thinks hero is 3betting and responding to 4bets in a straightforward manner, then he's probably a little wide here, like KK+ as opposed to AA exactly. This deep we should be 3betting mostly for deception but here the line is just so transparent that our implied odds are not nearly as good as the money left to play would indicate. How many hands does villain think hero plays like this and how is he going to make a mistake against that range?
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11-15-2014 , 04:21 PM
can anyone in the internet explain to me why five betting is correct?
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11-15-2014 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Citi
can anyone in the internet explain to me why five betting is correct?
It isn't.
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11-18-2014 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FieryJustice
I would tend to 3bet preflop to $90 and call the 4bet to set mine/see what develops.
Why not 3b bigger when so deep?

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My general plan would be to float more Qxx and lower flops with plans to fold on the turn if he continues firing.
I doubt the term float can be used here. It means calling flop with very little equity. Obviously that's not the case with JJ on Q-high and especially lower than Q-high boards. You probably meant "peel".
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11-18-2014 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Citi
can anyone in the internet explain to me why five betting is correct?
agreed, it's not.
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11-18-2014 , 09:31 PM
Rizzo:
Spoiler:
Drumroll...................... I folded. Not because I thought it was the right thing to do but because I haven't been in such a spot before and I err on the side of caution in such cases.
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