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05-28-2018 , 03:16 PM
Table has been nitty as **** and I've been running them over playing LAG as hell. Stack is in the neighborhood of $1500. Guy on my left is a very solid TAG who has $1200. Everyone else has $200ish.

I raise UTG to 13 with AdKs. TAG flats along with two nits, one in SB and one on Button.

Flop: Kh 9s 4h.

I bet 31, everyone calls.

Turn 7s.

Checked through.

River Qc.

Checked through.

I know posting results is bad but obviously when I won at showdown I knew I should've bet turn for $100 or so which is what I was going to do. However I knew that if I got raised by the TAG I was going to have to play a ridiculous 600bb pot with one pair. So obviously I played like a little ***** and checked it down. When turn was checked through, I was again scared of the TAG check raising me on the river in which I would have to call with my top pair. I thought my hand was a perfect check call candidate instead of betting. Critique my plays.
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05-28-2018 , 03:21 PM
Turn bet is mandatory and inexcusable to give a free card.
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05-28-2018 , 03:23 PM
I think you played it amazing. When you flip it over say you knew they had nothing and wanted them to bluff.
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05-28-2018 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Discretion
Table has been nitty as **** and I've been running them over playing LAG as hell.
Liar.
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05-28-2018 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Liar.
Ok lol I was plying LAG in all heads up pots but this was a 4 way pot and I was almost immediately scared that I was being trapped. Before this, I was showing all types of bluffs in heads up pots which is why I perceived my image as being on the LAG side.
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05-28-2018 , 04:11 PM
Change seats pre. Having a TAG deep with you on your left is a recipe for crap like this.
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05-28-2018 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Discretion
Ok lol I was plying LAG in all heads up pots but this was a 4 way pot and I was almost immediately scared that I was being trapped. Before this, I was showing all types of bluffs in heads up pots which is why I perceived my image as being on the LAG side.
So you’ve got a bluffy image and decide not to take advantage when you flop top top on a wet board multiway.

This makes no sense whatsoever.
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05-28-2018 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz
So you’ve got a bluffy image and decide not to take advantage when you flop top top on a wet board multiway.

This makes no sense whatsoever.
Why do you think this is a wet board? Any fd on board is wet to you?

Check turn is fine. You're being results oriented. 2 nits and a decent player all called flop, you have 1 pair. River is a borderline brick & should be a bet/fold spot after the urn checks through imo.
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05-28-2018 , 04:49 PM
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So you’ve got a bluffy image and decide not to take advantage when you flop top top on a wet board multiway.

This makes no sense whatsoever.
The problem I had was that nits fastplay most of their nutted hands unless they're against someone they perceive as someone who bluffs a lot. Normally, I would expect either nit to check raise a set on the flop but against me, I thought they would slowplay almost always. I agree that you should definitely bet turn but I don't think it is as clear cut as you are making it out to be.
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05-28-2018 , 04:50 PM
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Why do you think this is a wet board? Any fd on board is wet to you?

Check turn is fine. You're being results oriented. 2 nits and a decent player all called flop, you have 1 pair. River is a borderline brick & should be a bet/fold spot after the urn checks through imo.
2 flush draws lots of straight draw I would probably say it's pretty wet. I agree river is a slam dunk bet. I'm not sure what I was thinking checking river, probably thinking that it's difficult to be called by too much worse given that it's a 4 way pot.
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05-28-2018 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Calldown88
Why do you think this is a wet board? Any fd on board is wet to you?

Check turn is fine. You're being results oriented. 2 nits and a decent player all called flop, you have 1 pair. River is a borderline brick & should be a bet/fold spot after the urn checks through imo.
Yes a 4-way flop with flush draw + gutters and a turn that opens up a second flush draw and straight draws that a number of hands that could call flop with backdoor potential certainly qualifies as a wet board.

Not even sure how you could possibly argue that with a straight face.
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05-28-2018 , 05:21 PM
Why in the world is the only solid and deep player at the table on our immediate left?

I mostly limp/reraise AK in EP, and that might work even better for you as your aggro image might get loose calls from dominated hands for huge percentages of their stacks. Kinda doubt any one of the callers is making much of a mistake getting in 6.5% of their stack multiway / mostly in position on aggro you where we'll most likely only flop an obvious TP.

Super weird that everyone just called this. What, is everyone on a draw? But wouldn't have sets raised with this action and drawy board?

Think I'm fine with the turn check given this crowd. ETA: FWIW, we have < PSB left against all the shortstacks; if we're betting, pretty much the only bet size is a shortstack shove, no?

Worst non-flush river. Think I'm fine with the check here too.

I'm not even really sure I'm checking to call as no one is bluffing this 4ways; I'm more checking to nit fold.

But I also suck in these spots (which is why I attempt to avoid them preflop). Building bloated pots OOP sucks so much, and this hand is a fairly good example of why, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Last edited by gobbledygeek; 05-28-2018 at 05:27 PM.
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05-28-2018 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Discretion
I thought my hand was a perfect check call candidate instead of betting.
that's basically called pot control and i wouldn't waste my time with it for the most part. bet for value. especially with TOP TOP!

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Turn bet is mandatory and inexcusable to give a free card.
+1 given board texture

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Change seats pre
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I mostly limp/reraise AK in EP
i like that line (sometimes)
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