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10-06-2010 , 04:28 PM
Played this hand last night still wondering whats the best course of action on the turn

MP: $120
MP+1: $275 (weak player)
MP+2: $550 (Jimmy)
CO: $435 (Raises preflop to 7.5BB every pot with AK or 1010+ even if unopened.
Hero (BTN): $520
SB: $180
BB: $110

Pre Flop:* A J

MP+1, MP+2, CO calls. I raise to $14. They all call.

FLOP [10c 10s Qh]
Check to me on the BTN. I check behind.
(hits a lot of limpers range and didn't want to get raised off my back door + over)


TURN [Ks] Pot 51$
MP+1 leads for 10 dollars. (leads weak sometimes on turn with flush draws and weak pairs on turn or straight draws.)
MP+2 (Jimmy) Calls (usually calls with anything besides a fullhouse so I put him on pairs/draws/trips)
CO Calls (He just calls, quickly, but I feel like I was giving the impression as if I was going to raise)

What would you do in this spot?
Pot 90$

I raise to 60 dollars.
MP+1 folds, Jimmy calls 60 cold. CO gets up in disgust and makes a huge show like god why did you raise to put me off the draw etc.
After a bit of though he raises to 160$ with 250 dollars behind.

I thought this was huge strength with the show and with jimmy over calling, What is he really raising for value here besides a boat when jimmy over calls. Felt like he was sucking in the cash to make the pot bigger.

I think about it and put jimmy on straight or trips [109s, J10s, A10s, 108s could be a bit wider since jimmy plays any two suited in late]
I felt like the 250 was getting shipped on the river and If i were to call this I'd have to call the 250 on the river and Idk what hands fill up jimmy and I might be drawing dead to begin with. But the only two hands I could conceive was K10 or Q10 and idk why they were slow played...

Anyways I end up folding. I think its marginal where I've never really winning a large amount to make it profitable.

My two questions are:
-Whats your play on the turn? Call and value bet the river if checked to? Or call off medium pots bets if blank hits?
-Raise on the larger side to 75-80??


-Can I call on the turn in a three-way pot with a four bet with no redraws? on a paired board when the opp range [10Q or K10] but the play doesn't dictate it.
-Call and fold to river shove?


Thanks

I'll post hands later. After responses.
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10-06-2010 , 05:21 PM
I'd probably raise slightly larger preflop to have a better chance of getting this shorthanded, but I'm guessing the magic value is pretty table dependent.

I think I also check behind in this multi-way pot and take my free card, especially since I've got outs to the straight.

I raise the turn much larger. A $10 donk into a $50 pot is giving the other two great odds to come along with anything, and then raising to only $60 gives the first guy pretty decent odds of almost 3:1 and then everyone can come aboard the train here. I raise to $100, which I believe will offer some fairly bad odds of 2:1. Hand might play out differently after that, I'm not sure, but if raised I think I'm just getting it all in-then since we still beat a decent range of hands that will push here.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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10-06-2010 , 05:32 PM
You think you are over shoving 200BB with AJ here?
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10-06-2010 , 05:48 PM
PF I dont hate 14 but may go like 20 depending on the table.

Flop is obv fine.

Turn is horrible. The raise to 60 is nowhere near enough. On a low limit table if youre going to raise it should almost always be a potsized raise to deny proper odds of any draw that may exist. This should be something like 100 ontop.

And as far as your fold, I'm not sure I can fold the nut straight here. Villians will over value their hands far too often and surely shove with less than a boat. I think any 10x hand will get it in on the turn when they see someone likes their hand. J9 also gets it in here. If Q10 flopped the boat or K10 turned the boat. OK, nh. Time to reload.
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10-06-2010 , 05:53 PM
Why don't we just call the turn and try to get a cheap showdown? We have three other players in a raised pot and every card on the board hits everyone's range. The board is paired.
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10-06-2010 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jolyroger
Why don't we just call the turn and try to get a cheap showdown? We have three other players in a raised pot and every card on the board hits everyone's range. The board is paired.
If you mean call $10 then we don't do this because we lose loads and loads of value.
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10-06-2010 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jolyroger
Why don't we just call the turn and try to get a cheap showdown? We have three other players in a raised pot and every card on the board hits everyone's range. The board is paired.
But the board is pretty damn drawy at this point and all that's happened is a couple of opponents have called a lol-sized turn bet; shouldn't we be making them pay? Although I will admit that I'm not fist pumping being 3bet on a paired broadway board.
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10-06-2010 , 05:58 PM
Gross spot, but I think you play every street well.

nh.
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10-06-2010 , 06:58 PM
What I am stuck on is that if I had raised 80-100 instead of 60 and I got raised it would be a boat for sure. But Im never a fan of betting large and folding to a turn bet.

Idk if my hand looked more like AK and if I was getting value raised with a hand like J10 or A10. Also by raising we getting checked to a lot of the time on the river where we can decide to bet for value if a blank falls.
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10-06-2010 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Acidrain77
What I am stuck on is that if I had raised 80-100 instead of 60 and I got raised it would be a boat for sure. But Im never a fan of betting large and folding to a turn bet.

Idk if my hand looked more like AK and if I was getting value raised with a hand like J10 or A10. Also by raising we getting checked to a lot of the time on the river where we can decide to bet for value if a blank falls.
I see no problems the way you played it.
You're deep, and there's no reason to blow it all on this multiway hand, where the board is already in everyones range, yet their hands can still improve where yours cannot.

Your raise to 60 was fine. Even if hes raising to 160 without the boat, let him and the other guy play rivercard bingo without you, unless you feel like playing for stacks on the river with like the 10th nuts.
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10-06-2010 , 10:02 PM
Thanks for the responses.

Spoiler:

Jimmy called the 100 after I folded and the river went check check.

Jimmy [A10o]
Guy [J10o]
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