Started hand with $300, everyone covers me. Early position opens to 15, 2 guys call, fairly-tight late-20s Asian guy 3bets to 85 on button. 3bets in this game are super-rare and are always QQ++/AKs. If I had queens in this hand it would be a really easy fold. Instead, I have AA and...flatcall hoping one of the other callers or the EP opener comes along to build as big a pot as possible pre, even though my SPR is already ~1 when I call. My plan was to check-shove 99% of flops since I want to get allin here anyway. I was afraid of the 3bettor folding to a 4bet-shove despite the price he'd be getting.

Looks fine to me as long as you are okay with the added variance. Usually I'd just shove though if his range is QQ+ and AKs since he's not folding and there's already a lot in the middle. How deep are the initial opener/2 callers? If they are super deep, the likelihood that 1-3 of them comes along for the 3bet increases a lot, in which case you can decide if it's worth getting a huge pot where a lot of times you're going to lose. If they're short, you can probably just shove since for the most part, they are going to call a shove with any hand they could potentially 4bet (basically QQ or KK).

Prefer just shoving, your hand looks insanely strong anyway. People are not normally 3 bet-huge folding QQ or AK anyway. I'd say the times QQ, KK and AK fold post flop on bad boards outweigh the times they fold pre.

Probably not a big EV difference I would guess though.

this hand was like 3 weeks ago so i can't really remember exactly, but there were no very deepstacks at table. original raiser probably had ~400, other 2 callers had around 5-600. button had 500. stacks weren't deep enough to setmine or play like AQs.

no one was deep enough to be setmining......the girl in the big blind was saying after the hand she wishes she had gotten odds to setmine and took a while to fold pre (fairly certain she had tens or jacks). i'm OK losing the big pot with aces as long as the play is +EV. my equity is still pretty high even 4 handed.

and yea other problem with the call is my hand looks so strong, was figuring that like all boards would get cbet (except like Axx) and i'd get my stack in no matter what.

Raise for value. It's 1-2 and players don't think about crap.

I'd just shove. Once you call, you're committed to getting it in on any flop. Get rid of that 99% of flops idea here, you're making your post-flop decision preflop in this case... as stacks don't allow for "flat and evaluate."

The worst possible situation for you is that the flop lets villain get away. Flop comes AK3 or something and he manages to fold his JJ/QQ... which he's never folding pre.

Most players don't think about much at 1/2, but some people will notice that you were the guy who got cute with his aces if you flat here. I prefer the image that comes from you just 4-bet shoving them over the top. People playing scared will fold all sorts of stuff to you after this.

This. Also- I don't think your equity is that good 3- or 4- handed to give up your hammer lock on this situation.

In a completely different direction as to image--there's 130 in the pot to you with your 300--you could make it 155 to go to win here but perhaps instill a little doubt. AI means regulars are 97% sure you had it; half your stack prob means 70% you had it. Might get you looked up the next time you're huge. (If you're known in your card room . . . forget it)

I think it would depend on read on villain as well as villain's read on me. There are some players who could fold KK/QQ here fairly easily against the right villain's preflop; the vast majority won't, but go with your read.

I'm not as afraid of bad flops (as in scaring the villain away) since we already have two of the scary overcards in our hand.

So against a better regular who is well aware of my image, I'm fine with your line (expect I'm check/shoving 1% more than you are). Against worse players who are clueless about my image (or if I have a much laggier image today, especially for a lotta shoves and never getting looked up), I'm shoving pre.

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Very noobish. Next time raise.

Raise at least; you're OOP here, and OOP with one pair in a multiway pot is not where you wanna be. A click raise or a shove is good here, better than the flat anyway.

I would just shove. No one folds KK in 1/2, You might get calls from QQ (putting you on AK), and we really don't want to give free cards to JJ/QQ.

I agree. Shove. Out of position, and with the pot, you will likely get one to two callers anyway.

i love the way you played it.... cold 4 bet is like the strongest play in hold em. call try to get it three way and you can donk/ shove or check/ shove every flop.

I've been told that the only time to cold 4 bet pf is w/o AA... either as a bluff or with KK... obviously this doesn't apply at 1/2, and is for very specific situations. This was online obv...

I think shoving is best here. If everyone folds you win 65bb's. 3bettor will prob not fold KK. Flatting is ok but the potential of seeing a flop 5handed with AA where people are prob only getting it in when you are crushed is not ideal for me. I'm much more inclined to flat AA when there are only two or less other people in the hand...

i just think more times than not you're going to be heads up and at worst maybe 3 way. And i don't agree with shoving to "protect" against someone drawing out. Vs AK and KK you'll win 83% of the time. Against KK and QQ you'll win 66% of the time...

3 way i'd check/call A high boards, donk shove anything lower than J, and ch/shove everything else.

he has AA. fold and save rake+tip. take a bathroom break. come back and play next hand.