1/2. Will the nits on twoplustwo say fold pre?

V1 (covers hero) open-limps a few hands but mostly open-raises and will also 3bet light. He loses poker because he calls too much and chases hands.

V2 (covers hero) is open-limping, calling limps, and calling raises preflop. He open-raises less. Post-flop he chases and will make massive bluffs on the turn and river.

BB is super passive.

H in SB has 325 and has a tight image.

OTTH

V1 in MP open-limps, unknown calls, V2 calls, two unknowns call, hero in SB with K7hh calls, BB calls.

Flop (12 after rake): Kc5h6h

Hero checks, BB checks. V1 bets 8. Folds to V2 who calls. Folds to hero who calls. BB folds.

Turn (34 after rake): 4s

Hero checks. V1 bets 10. V2 calls. Hero calls.

River (60 no more rake): Ad

V1 bets 25. V2 bumps to 50. Hero folded.

Looks fine. Can fold on flop at many tables. Never folding turn. Sometimes raising the small bet and folding to any future bets. River is always a fold for me. Id fold pre at nitty tables and put in the dollar at others. Squeeze to $20 at some.

Seems fine as played. I think completing for just $1 pre after so many limpers is fine.

On the flop you have top pair weak kicker and 2nd nut flush draw, no real need to turn our hand into a bluff at this point when we lose to better kings.

On the turn you have all the equity in the world but still a bad kicker, again no reason to turn hand into a bluff.

On the river your hand just isn't very good anymore. We don't need a lot of calls or bluffs multiway facing a bet and raise on the river, and we can certainly have better hands to bluff catch with. Nut flush draws that now have top pair come to mind. Maybe some two pair + type hands as well, maybe some trapped straights. I guess a 7 blocker is nice to block turned straights, but not a fan of holding hearts here.

He has top pair and 2nd nut flush draw. No way can this be a fold on the flop.

Preflop folding would be fine also but if you know the BB is not going to squeeze and only raises premium hands then calling is OK.
On the flop you have too good of a hand to fold, the question should be do you want to raise? That depends on how much FE you have. Does V1 have KX hands he folds? What other hands could he bet? What sort of range does V2 have and how much of it does he fold? Are villains the sort you have to bet twice to convince them your serious?
On the turn you have added some straight equity but your king looks worse when both villains continue and a raise would look out of place. Obvious flat call.
On the river when V1 bets and V2 min raises they have to be particularly bad before it's ever worth calling.

The thing to keep in mind is that you played this loose passive. If you know you can extract money when you hit playing some hands that way is fine. If you play more then a handful your playing too loosely and chasing too many less then nut draws.

Missed the flush draw. Thanks. Ya obviously not folding. Think vs certain opponents thats a raise

He's not really chasing when he has top pair. Then on the turn he picks up an open ender and blocks the nuts facing just 1/3 pot. He can have the best hand on the flop and turn fairly often. He has an amazing price preflop and a marginal made hand with lots of outs postflop. So it's not really that loose and not any more passive than the situation warranted.

Hands he might want to play aggressively would be like 2p+, straights on the turn, and draws without showdown value.

Results

Hero folded. V1 bumped to 125. V2 called. V1 showed 87s.

as on offside it amuses when when nits say to fold this hand pre for $1 but then the same nits punt stacks with AKo UI.

In limped pots I’m always tempted to check raise on the flop with the TPTK + second nut flush draw and back door straight stuff going on. With that said check/calling down is probably the best play.

Since we’re playing against ranges that are pretty much uncapped I can’t see why there would be much merit to isolating and having to realize equity when we’re going to be up against a lot of weaker draws and one pair type hands that we still have a boat load of equity against and don’t necessarily want to push out just yet. Especially when most of the time we can just float OOP getting really good odds.

Unless there’s some obvious fish in the game who is betting randomly or playing super aggro in these situations there’s no reason to check/raise the flop. Even then it’s going to be a high variance spot so most of the time you’ll probably just want to call (which is totally fine).

I would have for sure gone for the xr on the flop - you flopped a monster essentially in a limped pot - and you need to start piling money in.


AP its fine because you got one of the worst turns for you but even still i think a xr on the flop takes the pot down a decent amount of the time.

To how much?

I'd have done a xr on the flop and sizing would have been anywhere between 30-40. And tbh I didnt see that the turn brought an oe straight in addition to the flush draw, and top pair.

You have sooo much equity on the turn that I would have kept barreling on the turn. If V would have raised (he did hit gin/but besides this literal holding), you are wayyyy ahead of a ton of limped holdings.


When I have top pair, 2nd nut flush draw, and an oe straight on the turn I'm fist bumping putting money into the pot.


If you xr flop, and bet 2/3-3/4 pot on turn and V still calls or raises you know your in trouble, and could x river on an unimproved card and evaluate.


Also your description of the V is that he loves to chase and calls too much, so why not make him pay more for him to catch his draws.