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Line check with flopped bottom boat at 1/3 vs 2 loose V's. Line check with flopped bottom boat at 1/3 vs 2 loose V's.

05-09-2024 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Nh,gg.
So, back to 2/5 with you.
I dunno. I've been having a lot of fun splashing around in the 1/3 streets the last few weeks.



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05-09-2024 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nh,gg.
...For me, with what I perceive as Doc's image from his posts, I don't think a C-R on flop drives these guys off. He's probably perceived as a bit laggy...

Edit: Just read the reveal...lol. No, I don't know how he gets there with 33 either. You did say they were sticky post, OMG. AA is a bit more understandable.
It's funny. I try to play tight, get worried opponents will think I'm a nit (I know, laughable on its face if you see how I play or read my posts here), then eventually it's like, "eff this. I'm bored. Time to get spicy..."

It's weird how often I'm hesitant to do something too aggro, considering how on brand it probably seems to my opponents. I should probably stop lying in my hand history OP's and just admit I'm only a straight jacket away from being a maniac.

I guess AA is a little more understandable, as far as getting to the river, but I think if he's going to just flat call my turn donk, he has to be done with it after BTN calls and I barrel river. Calling my river bet, and then over-calling the BTN jam with AA is like handing your credit card to my teenage son. You're not going to like what your money is buying or what it cost you.



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05-10-2024 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by docvail
Thank you all for taking the time to look at this and give your thoughts.

Reveal...

Hero did NOT fold. Hero also didn't re-jam. Hero called.

Spoiler:
BTN starts to turn over his hand, then stops, looks at me, and says, somewhat sheepishly, "I have a boat."

I say, me too. He says, "oh, then you're good."

What? Seriously? How the f**k am I good here?

BTN rolls over 33, for a rivered bottom boat. Hero is speechless. How does this guy get to the river with 33?

UTG shows AA. Even more speechless. How does he show up with AA, the way this played?

MHIG and I scoop.

So...I dunno. I'm still not sure whether or not I should have re-jammed. I might have made an extra $245 if V1 called, or I might have lost an extra $230 if he folded. Seeing him show up with AA, I'm really not sure what he would have done if I re-jammed. Seems like a spot where most could fold AA, but he didn't, so...yeah, this one is gonna stay with me for a while.
Lol. Man I do the same thing doc. I give people way too much credit. You know how many times ive folded the best hand and by the time showdown comes i see some absolute nonsense shown down to scoop a huge pot. And many times ive thought someone was a decent player only to later see they have absolutely no clue and were just running good. Mind blowing. Im dropping down to 1/2 tonight, will go back to 2/3 next week.
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05-10-2024 , 03:58 PM
I think this is a flop you can donk-bet as a BB. Check-raising is fine. Check-calling is kinda a Worst Of All Worlds play: you keep the pot small AND you set off alarm bells that you’ve smashed the flop.

As played, never folding the River for this price, especially at $1-$2, where no one considers relative hand strength.
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05-10-2024 , 04:03 PM
Daniel Negreanu had a recent high stakes hand where he folded 99 on a T95TQ board to a River check-raise shove because he knew a pro would recognize Negs would always have at least a full house (after betting pot on the Turn and River) for value, and that, therefore, unless V was making an insane bluff, then Negs had to fold: he was losing to all the hands V would raise for value with on the River, since Negs has the second worst full house.

Similar hand except: you’re NOT playing against pros. You’re playing against Fish. They aren’t thinking about your hand at all.
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05-10-2024 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by docvail

What? Seriously? How the f**k am I good here?.[/SPOIL]
When players play badly, they are unpredictable.
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05-10-2024 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by adonson
When players play badly, they are unpredictable.
Ive been struggling with that unpredictability lately. Its really hard to play against. I mean these guys are drooler level bad and i make so many folds with the best hand where i think no way am i good here, just like docs hand here illustrates.

Im talking about guy opens UTG to 10 and 3 players call, then BB 3bets to 30 lol. Then BB pots it on A K 9, gets 2 calls, pots it on T turn, 2 calls, pots it again on flush completing low card river, both players fold and the guy flips over 22. What?!?

Another one this guy shoves all in pre for his remaining 20, lady calls for remaining 18, another guy calls, and another guy calls. Flop K Q J, dont remember how it ran out after but the guy in position vs other remaining player potted flop, turn, and river w K2o and the guy oop scooped w K7s bc his kicker played. Like why tf was he betting like that w no side pot and a crap hand?
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05-10-2024 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
Ive been struggling with that unpredictability lately. Its really hard to play against. I mean these guys are drooler level bad and i make so many folds with the best hand where i think no way am i good here, just like docs hand here illustrates.

Im talking about guy opens UTG to 10 and 3 players call, then BB 3bets to 30 lol. Then BB pots it on A K 9, gets 2 calls, pots it on T turn, 2 calls, pots it again on flush completing low card river, both players fold and the guy flips over 22. What?!?

Another one this guy shoves all in pre for his remaining 20, lady calls for remaining 18, another guy calls, and another guy calls. Flop K Q J, dont remember how it ran out after but the guy in position vs other remaining player potted flop, turn, and river w K2o and the guy oop scooped w K7s bc his kicker played. Like why tf was he betting like that w no side pot and a crap hand?
One thing that makes bad LLSNL players bad is that they all view hand strength in absolute terms instead of relevant terms--they bet solely on the strength of their own hand, with no thought given to anything else (the board, their number of opponents, the preflop action, etc). Which is one of the things that makes, say, over-pairs really tricky: when a guy shoves all-in on a 3-bet pot on a Jack-high board, you aren't just asking "is he bluffing or does he really have the set he's representing?" you have to ask "is he bluffing, does he actually have the set he's representing, or is he just doing this because he's bad enough to think Top Pair is the best hand?"

Obviously, these mistakes make us money in the long run. But...you do have to put up with some variance.
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05-12-2024 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by adonson
When players play badly, they are unpredictable.
True. Sometimes I get tripped up giving my opponents too much credit, leading to MUBs.

I've also gone the other way, making hero calls because I think V has too many possible bluffs when it seems too obvious he's value betting the nuts in a spot where he should be playing more deceptively, and therefore he must be bluffing, but of course he's just doing exactly what it looks like, and I get shown the nuts.

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