This game just opened 30mins ago, its a three blind game for some reason because this particular room doesn't get a regular 2/5 going very often.

Hero: $360 - fairly solid image so far, taken down 3 small/decent pots.

Villain 1: $500 - already lost 1 buy-in, tried to run at least three bluffs so far and lost 1 show down and folded two other bluffs on the river.

Villain 2:$700 - very aggressive, not opening many pots but over-betting a lot.Earlier he raised me $300 on a KJ3 in a $150 pot. Everyone at the table has said he is "crazy" and a "F'n idiot".

Hero is in the small blind ($1 blind) with AQ.

4 limpers around the Villain 1 in the CO. He makes it $25.

folds around to me in SB and I call.

Villain 2 in MP2 call and limper folds.

Flop $100 - Q3T

I decided to check for some reason, I feel now that I should have bet 3/4 pot, but I checked because I didn't wanna play a huge pot OOP and if I lead I felt like I was most likely committing my entire stack to this hand OOP.

Villain 2 checks, MP2 checks, Villain 1 (CO) bets $100.
I call because he has bluffed at so many pots and hasn't shown down any winning hands.

Villain 2 ships, Villain 1 tanks and folds.

HERO?



I was obviously off my game today and should have bet flop, but i wanna hear everybody thoughts on this hand.

You made a number of mistakes in the hand. Preflop with these stacks and against these villains, 3-bet for value to $100 and fold to a shove. Bet flop. As played, c/ship flop. As played call. You are blocking combos of QQ/QT, so his value range combined with aggro tendencies means that he has more than enough FDs in his range to make this call +ev.

Agree with all of this. Question however - if we lead on the flop (I assume we would bet around $75 to $100), I assume we are calling any shove and not b/f here - correct?

I am committed on this flop in this situation so yes. B/c flop. There are like 15+ FD combos and like 9 value combos I can think of if they raise (33, QT- I am thinking they raise QQ/TT pre rather than l/c but you can give a couple of partial combos if you want).

*grunch*

My first instinct is just that even when you put V1 on a bluff, you can't just call with V2 still to act behind you. It give him the perfect opportunity for a big display of post-flop strength. I can see not wanting to commit your whole stack on the flop OOP, if what you want is to see the Villains' action.

Now you've seen it, V2 checked, and though V1 bet, you put him on a bluff. Calling doesn't let you off cheap. If you are going to play here, NOW is the time to raise it AI, which will make it hard for V2 to call unless he's (a) got a huge hand or (b) puts you squarely on a big draw that he's currently ahead of and thinks with you that V1 is bluffing.

Your only other option is to fold TPTK on a board without any completed draws. Without a good reason to put Villian's on 2 pair plus, that seems like a poor result.

+1, BTW.

Setsy's line seems right to me, and he expressed it more succinctly than I managed in my grunch.

Pretty sure you have to call given the action. You need 2.5:1 to call. If all he ships here is tt, 33, qt, his combo flush draws and ace high flush draws,



Board: Qc Tc 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.715% 40.42% 00.30% 10803 80.00 { AsQs }
Hand 1: 59.285% 58.99% 00.30% 15767 80.00 { TT, 33, AcJc, AdJd, Ac9c, Ad9d, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ad7d, Ah7h, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, KcJc, QTs, Jc9c, 9c8c, QTo }


That's is pretty tight range given the description of the two villains in the hand and I'd expect him to do this with much lighter than AQ some % of the time.

Yeah probably should have shipped it instead of calling V1 flop bet.

I'm not sure if I agree with the 3-bet pre, because why would I want to commit my entire stack to this hand OOP against the preflop raiser that has me covered, Idk if I could have isolated him pre I would have won the hand, but that's being a lil results oriented I think.

If I 3-bet pre, I'm pretty much getting it in on any flop I don't completely miss with this stack size right?

You are not committing your stack pre if you 3-bet.

You 3-bet for value because many worse can call and you reduce your positional disadvantage by lowering SPR and probably getting HU.

You will ship flop on a lot of flops if just CO calls:

Axy
Kxy
Qxy
XYZss
Gut shot + over + bdfd


You will c/f on flops like T98 no spades, 657dd, etc. Flops that hit a 3-bet calling range hard and where you have low equity.

Ok I see, I just felt I was committing my stack because I'm putting in almost 1/3 of my stack when 3-betting to a $100 pre.

This whole problem could have been avoided if I was deeper I guess, I could have easily laid down this hand if I had 700+ in front of me. Maybe I should buy-in deeper for this game. It is capped at 1k. but most buy-in for about $600.

Villain 2 ended up having TT and stacked me w/ a final board of Qc3dTcTs8h.
Then proceeded to slow roll me with the stone cold nuts, guy was a straight up a$$hole.

Grunch.
3bet/fold pre.
As played, donking into agro monkey is probably better, then c/c.
As played call, few hands really beat you, and SPR is quite low.

I definitely agree with Setsy that we should have 3 bet preflop.

I like check/raising the flop better than anything else.

As a default, we should check made hands to villains who are aggro and were the preflop raiser. They will make tons of c-betting mistakes such as this guy did on this board most likely. You want to give him the opportunity to c-bet hands that have little or no equity, and aggro players such as this guy will do so a high percentage of the time.

Once he bets the flop, now we have to forget about his air on a board texture this wet. We can't afford to allow everybody to call and there are lots of action killing cards that can come. So rather than check/calling, we check/raise, collecting the dead money against his air and getting value from that portion of his range that hit the flop, such as his straight and flush draws.

Any draws in MP that checked intending to check/call are now in a super tough spot, and are not getting the odds to come along, but people will make huge mistakes here with nut draws, and call sometimes.

Just so it is clear, I favor a c/r on this board primarily because of the board texture. On a drier board, I would take some risks check/calling because the aggro preflop raiser who loves to bluff will put in so much dead money if we keep checking to him.

Thanks for your analysis mpethybridge. I agree with the check-raise OTF, but I'm still not so sure about 3-betting pre OOP. I guess If Im not comfortable 3-betting pre with this stack I should be buying in bigger for this game, or just open folding this hand OOP.

lol quad slow roll, what a c*nt