1/3 NLHE 9 handed

V1 - solid tag plays often. button clicks a bit and it really cuts into his win rate. Can make some huge bluffs that are just torching money sometimes, but reads the board well - just has no FE. I'd say he's a 1-5 BB/hr player. He folds a lot more than I do and can make big folds more easily. 700$. LJ.

V2 - loose passive whale, has lots of money, just here to hit jackpots and have fun. VPIP about 90%. Opened pre and check-jammed flop on 6-4-4 FD with 53o no flush cards 6-ways. Everyone folded. 450$. HJ.

Hero covers from SB.

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Folds to V1 who opens 15, V2 calls next to act, folds to Hero in the SB who goes 75 with K J, both Vs call. 3-ways OOP.

Flop 225 - K T 9

Hero checks, V1 checks, V2 bets 150, Hero?

Call.

Raise to $375 and put the whale all in. What the hell else is there to do? Obviously not folding if V1 rejams but these are the games we play when 3bet KJo (not knocking it, I do it too).

Just put them both all in now then surely?
And fold pre obviously. But raise is better than call of course

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This is one spot where I would like a c-bet from OOP and multi-way. If you bet $50 and V1 calls, then V2 raises, we have an easy jam.

As played, it's kinda hard to screw this one up, no matter what you do. But I think we should probably just call. If we jam, V1 is never calling with worse, and even V2 can probably get away from his hand, since he likely would have bet bigger if he actually was strong.

It's tempting to think we have the board locked up, but we're actually behind a lot of hands in our opponents' ranges. We're not in terrible shape against their calling range if we jam, but I think we make more and lose less by just flatting.

My default is to just nit fold preflop, especially OOP against someone described as a solid reg. If we must get into the hand due to the whale, I'd rather just flat, bink for relatively cheap, and hope the whale goes bonkers in a high SPR pot.

If it was HU with the whale I'd prolly check/jam at this lol SPR. Although we're only slightly deeper vs the reg who checked the flop, so that still might be my play.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Pre was fine/standard.

The word "whale" can mean so many different things, just like the word "reg". The hand where he jammed an OESD was pretty much standard, nothing "whaley" about that. The question is what's his range and if we raise do we have FE. I would hate another club to come out (unless it's our gin card) and these types of players could easily have two pair in their range (club or not) so calling is probably better than jamming since whales don't really like to fold too easily, and if we call he might even slow down in case we wanna get to SD on later streets without having to go broke.

I would of liked to cbet since if we get raised we can be even more sure that we're behind instead of someone just tryna take a stab at it when everyone checks.

I'm with GG, and not loving 3b pre (though it's better than call).

I love how we have. LowJack always sounds like it's late position, but it's not. Initial raiser is a tag and range should be relatively strong here. Good chance he comes along, and we know whale is coming along, and now we're in a massively bloated pot with offsuit broadway.

Flop, I think we should c-bet here. As played, I think it's a call.

hitchens97 and gobbledygeek are correct, there's nothing wrong with folding pre. I'm 3betting because he's described as a button presser, so he should have a standard opening range for that position which is enough to 3bet but if we expect him to call 100%, then it's fine to fold pre (I'm never flatting there, btjm).

Pre. seems bad, would do it with KJs sometimes. robot SB doesn't 3bet any KJo vs. robot LJ open.


Eh ... I wouldn't bet this flop in a non-3bet pot.
But not sure if we should now it is, don't mind either bet or check.


150 bet seems spew big, all options seem kind of fine. If we can read V1 well enough then maybe x/c and fold to a raise is best, as it is I'm not really loving x/c/f on flop without good reads.

Hand doesn't seem big enough to be x/c hoping V1 will raise/call ... so would lean more x/r than x/c if playing well, as V1 can fold a bunch of equity.

my guess is kjo is not pushing enough equity vs whale given that opener is in lj, and also lj is going to continue quite often because you're deep with him so this is probably decently bad pre (you also probably just dont win pre vs the whale ever if lj folds so maybe its worse than decently bad - i get we are a favorite if lj folds and whale calls but im just not sure kjo pushes enough equity vs him to compensate for the rest as i alluded to at the beginning).
post i think its good and id just c/c down vs whale. you could also bet like 40 otf and see what happens but i think this is probably better if ip stabs no equity which seems to be the case. i think the most difficult part of the hand would be if lj overcalls the flop.

I would do the opposite and be more inclined to 3bet with KJ and more inclined to flat with KJs btjm ofc.
This is an extremely good point; if we're not prepared/confident enough to bet with king hign otf OOP in a 3bet pot vs someone who's likely to call pre for at least a street, just fold pre instead of playing f.o.f. in a 3bet pot you can do that while saving money.
That's the beauty of 3betting light, you can win w/o equity and very often fold out superior hands which you can't do by flatting.

Preflop is too loose. I would mainly stick to ATs+, KTs+, TT+ AQo+ in this configuration 3betting. Maybe KQo but even that is pushing it honestly. But we've all been there.

Call flop as played.

Well it went:

should add - everyone thought it was overly reckless and that they could have had AXcc

Did anyone tell you to go home, because you were drunk?

I'd have agreed with that.

Nice result. Somewhat surprisingly, your hand is actually a 60/40 favorite against the Whale's on the flop (not accounting for the important dead cards of course). I looked it up because I thought you might be "ahead" but I didn't think it would be by so much.