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Lets start a Cardrunners-EV study group for 1/2nl Lets start a Cardrunners-EV study group for 1/2nl

08-21-2011 , 10:21 AM
I would like to start a 1/2nl study group/study thread for users with Cardrunners EV. Post hands/decisions in this thread and I/we will try to solve the hands w/ Cardrunners EV and post screen shots.
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08-21-2011 , 10:45 AM
Tough river spot 1/2

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Originally Posted by stlpoker1662
I have been at this table for about 2 hours, really haven't been playing too many hands, haven't had a showdown yet. Just lost a 60bb pot after bet/folding the river. My stack it $180 Lots of your typical limp/calling out of position weak/tight at this table. After 2 EP limps, it is folded to the me on the button and I raise to $12 with A8 both of the blinds fold and one limper ($300 pretty weak tight, folds a lot to flop c-bets) comes along.

Flop 78K MP checks, Hero bets $20, MP calls

Turn 4 MP balks a little then checks, hero checks

River A MP leads for $40... now I'm a bit conflicted. I'm pretty positive that this player isn't capable of thin value on this river based on past hands, but who knows, it's $1/2
I'm going to borrow this hand from another thread and lets try it.
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08-21-2011 , 11:02 AM
sounds like a great idea. Look forward to seeing some of the results, and posting some hands.
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08-21-2011 , 11:45 AM
Ok i'm new at this too so bare with me, i'm sure i'll make mistakes along the way.

I put villain's range at: TT-22,AKs-A2s,KQs-K2s,QJs-Q2s,JTs-J4s,T9s-T6s,98s-95s,87s-85s,76s-75s,65s-63s,54s-53s,AKo-A2o,KQo-K5o,QJo-Q7o,JTo-J7o,T9o-T8o,98o

I excluded jj+ as i feel he would have reraised you and/or not limped in the first place.

I set the rake at 15% up to $8 (5 house + 2 jp + 1 tip)

I set his turn call range at at least top pair (>=tp) and open end strait draw (oesd) and i put his river betting range to at least top pair.


Last edited by I.M. Baked; 08-21-2011 at 11:51 AM.
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08-21-2011 , 11:53 AM
EV of the river call is what we care about here and it is +38.77
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08-21-2011 , 11:55 AM
If you guys want me to tweak any of the parameters and rerun the #'s let me know.
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08-21-2011 , 01:35 PM
Interesting... So this is like Pokerstove, except that it converts the equity calcs to EV for you, not just giving you percentage and leaving the rest to you?

How user friendly is it? I like to run the numbers myself sometimes, as it helps me think through the process, but sometimes I'd just prefer a quick answer.
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08-21-2011 , 03:08 PM
It's pretty friendly after you learn the interface and it has a ton of functions. You can graph ev based on villain's ranges. like if you wanted to find out if a 4 bet shove is profitable vs villans 3bet you can graph vs a spread of different villain opening ranges from nit-atc and it will tell you if your shove would be + or -ev vs different villains.
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08-21-2011 , 03:20 PM
9-players: You are the cut off w/ $100 the smallest stack at the table and laggro regular opens to $20 utg+1 passive fish in mp calls, and everyone else folds to you in the cut off, the button and the blinds are all tags. every one else has $300+.

What is your shoving range here?
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08-22-2011 , 10:53 AM
this is what i cam up with but it doesnt seem right

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08-22-2011 , 10:56 AM
here is the cardrunners ev file from the tree of the last problem/hand.

https://www.yousendit.com/download/Z...cWZqV0EwTVE9PQ
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08-22-2011 , 11:07 AM
i set the initial raiser's opening range at AA-22,AKs-A4s,KQs-K9s,QJs-Q9s,JTs-J9s,T9s,AKo-A9o,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo

and the first caller at 99-22,AJs-A4s,KJs-K9s,QJs-Q9s,JTs-J9s,T9s,98s,AJo-A9o,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo

i set the call range for button, sb and bb at qq+ and ak.
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08-22-2011 , 11:12 AM
i put a lot of the calling ranges too tight, i may try to fix it later.
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08-22-2011 , 06:27 PM
I'll analysis hands with you. PM me the links the threads you start, or are interested it, and I'll post there.
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08-23-2011 , 01:45 PM
Maybe you could take a shot at improving that last one?
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08-23-2011 , 03:32 PM
some advice would be to ignore the BT/SB/BB in your last example, and then just have a higher profit threshold when deciding which hands to shove. All the extra time it takes to make those extra trees isn't worth the tiny bit of accuracy we get. also it looks like you have to increase the iterations in run settings, i'd go with at least a million runs, probably more. The wider the ranges involved the more iterations you need. w/ UTG's range being wide, and you evaluating your range at 100%, you need to do a lot.

for the hand i think your opening range for UTG1 is too light, calling range for flatter is too wide and leaves out all the strong hands (no one 3bets at 1/2, and you even called this guy passive, he has all the premium hands still, at the very least you need to just be discounting them and not eliminating them) i can't see the calling of the shove ranges you put in, but for UTG i'd say AQs/99 and for passive guy AQs/JJ+

Last edited by Exitonly; 08-23-2011 at 03:57 PM.
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08-23-2011 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by I.M. Baked
i set the initial raiser's opening range at AA-22,AKs-A4s,KQs-K9s,QJs-Q9s,JTs-J9s,T9s,AKo-A9o,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo

and the first caller at 99-22,AJs-A4s,KJs-K9s,QJs-Q9s,JTs-J9s,T9s,98s,AJo-A9o,KQo-KTo,QJo-QTo,JTo

i set the call range for button, sb and bb at qq+ and ak.
I assume this is $1/2 based on what you said in OP.

I think the initial raiser's range is stronger then you have assumed above (he did 10xBB it in EP). I assume it is something like: {TT+,AQs+,AKo}.

The caller should have a strong range here too (the same?).

Based on the action, I don't think you are ever folding out both villains for $80 more, although you might fold out one of them (ie if you shove, and UTG+1 shoves, MP might fold {TT, ect.}).

For this reason, you probably want ~50% equity against: {TT+,AQs+,AKo}. I think you can ship {JJ+,AK+}.
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