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08-13-2016 , 01:10 PM

Reubenr676

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Hey guys,

In an effort to become better shortstacked, does anyone advocate to buy in for the minimum to get better when shortstacked?

Thanks!

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08-13-2016 , 01:21 PM

FreeAsTheBird

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I would play tournaments to learn short stacked poker. You'll go through lengthy periods of everyone having 10-20bb.

Cash games provide you the biggest edge at the deepest stacks.

If you're playing recreational poker, buy in at whatever stack you think is the most fun.

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08-13-2016 , 01:28 PM

MamaRolex

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If you want to practice short, you got to only play big pairs and AK
If you want to become a competent and efficient money printing player, you got to learn playing deep.

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08-14-2016 , 08:10 AM

Dream Crusher

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Yes, if you want to get better at short stacking then you will need to buy in short. Playing short stack in tournaments is not the same as playing it in live cash games, although it could help as well.

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08-14-2016 , 08:31 AM

MikeStarr

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Obviously if you want to get better at something, you have to practice it. So, yes, if you want to get better at playing short stacked cash, then buy in short. However, like others have said, short stack cash and short stack tournament play arent really the same thing so if your goal is to get better at short stacked in tournaments, this is the perfect solution.

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08-14-2016 , 08:31 AM

MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by MamaRolex

If you want to practice short, you got to only play big pairs and AK
If you want to become a competent and efficient money printing player, you got to learn playing deep.

Wrong

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08-14-2016 , 10:17 PM

Garick

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Why do you want to get good at playing short-stacked? It's relatively simple to do, but very boring (optimum strategy is to play very tight and play most pots to be AI OTF) and even if you start that way, as soon as it works once you aren't short stacked anymore. It's not like online when you can just rat-hole the winnings by going to another table.

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08-14-2016 , 10:24 PM

Garick

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Originally Posted by MamaRolex

If you want to practice short, you got to only play big pairs and AK
If you want to become a competent and efficient money printing player, you got to learn playing deep.

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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

Wrong

Actually, while I often disagree with MamaRolex's strategy, the above is generally considered optimum strat for short-stack cash. not sure why you are saying it is wrong, and in future posts I expect you to explain your thoughts.

If you have 20BBs, you are always pot-committed if any money goes in OTF. In fact, you are usually AI OTF. You don't have enough money to have any implied odds for drawing hands, set-mining, etc. Therefore, the only hands that you can play are the ones that often win unimproved.

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08-14-2016 , 10:39 PM

MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by Garick

Most places Ive played have a min buy in of 40BBs, not 20, but even with 20BBs, you can play more than big pairs and AK. I played a serious amount of online poker shortstacking 5/10 with 20BBs and I assure you that I played more hands than big pairs and AK and crushed. You just have to know when your range is ahead of their range.

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08-14-2016 , 10:57 PM

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Garick

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You have to know when your range is ahead of the opener's and ahead of remaining hands in play, so unless you have position, you really can't risk worse hands often. Note that by "big" pairs here, I'm including 88+ in many circumstances.

40BB poker isn't really short-stacked though. It is more the worst of both worlds.

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08-14-2016 , 11:10 PM

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winadil

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Originally Posted by MamaRolex

If you want to practice short, you got to only play big pairs and AK
If you want to become a competent and efficient money printing player, you got to learn playing deep.

Can't really comment at the first statement but will confirm the second
Deep stack poker is so much better to punish weaker players. As small mistake early in the hand become big mistakes on the river

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08-15-2016 , 02:37 AM

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Dream Crusher

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Mike Starr is correct. You can play a wide range depending on the villains' ranges. As an example, you can isolate players that have a wide calling range and get a lot of dead money in the middle in the process. Garick is correct as well. You can't call raises very often at all. But yeah, most llsnl short stacking will involve medium stack depths of 40 to 60bbs and is a completely different animal than 20bbs. In general live players don't know how to adjust to good short stacking players because frankly they do not encounter very many of them.

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