Villian aint going anywhere and either should you!!

Never, ever fold here. Ever. Fist pump shove and jump with joy when he calls.

i also think shoving >>>>>> flatting / trying to get to showdown cheap. because if we are beat there is no freaking way villain is going to slow down on the river, and if we are ahead right now we need to get money in ASAP before a scare card comes. (honestly i dont think AKss is in his range too much.)

i disagree with this. 130$ is just fine imo. we dont actually want villain to fold so why are we betting so dam much?

There's really nothing wrong with a fold here, we're 312xBB deep, he has to have a hand to commit in this spot. We do not fare well against a range of (T9, JJ, 88, JsXs)

Too many draws on the flop, and too many combo draws. We're giving him direct odds to hit some hands, and he's got huge implied odds as well.

Also on this wet a board I think our goal should be trying to either shove turn, or get as close to shoving turn as possible.

= u cant seriously just put him on a range of the 3 hands that beat us. He has 33 as much as 9T imo.

get it in. doesnt get much better for 77 than this

Throw 33 in there. We still don't fare well against the range when you consider that it's more heavily weighted towards the hands that beat us than 33.

As far as your last statement which I bolded, you've got to be kidding. It doesn't get much better than this for 77? Would you call this an ideal board?

I wasn't trying to insinuate that I would call or that calling is the best play, but if one has convinced themself so thoroughly that their set is beat without any evidence from the betting or table talk, one might be better off taking a more passive line & seeing what happens rather than just mucking.

Of course, if one isn't willing to call a river shove when a blank hits, then this is even worse than folding the turn. The one good thing about this line is that you get max value from air hands or marginal draws which you would price out with a shove (although these obv don't make up a huge part of V's range).

lol bad

Never slow play or fold a flopped set. Nobody knows you have a monster anyway, therefore, it is stupid to conceal the strength of your hand. Backing off to a raise and then check-raising on the turn is a valid strategy (although not necessarily best). I do not back off when there is a third suited card on board. I feel that I have enough outs to disregard the possibility of a made flush against me. If you lose with a set, you'll lose a lot of money. If you don't, you are not playing your sets correctly.

Never slowplay a flopped straight! You'll get plenty of action from pairs and one card straight draws. Get your money in early in case it gets counterfeited, and you have to split the pot. Also, never slowplay a flush. If somebody slow plays a worse flush you'll feel like a sucker when it gets checked around. Anyway, nobody is going to believe you anyway. Most importantly, do not try to check-raise with a made flush. When a flush card hits, players tend to be careful with their bets, so you might not get any. It's probably better to lead, hoping somebody raises. Straightforward play is the surest way to win against the fish.

But the most important is this: If you lose with a set, you'll lose a lot of money. If you don't, you are not playing your sets correctly. You can take this to the bank!

Che,

So, what did he have?

+1. I say easy shove as well.

Villain is UTG+1 the pre-flop raiser raising the $5 straddle to $22.

We have to include Over-pairs, and ABroadwayX's in Villains range. Even Under-pairs 99 and TT like this flop and could be blocking on the Turn.

Cant see folding here especially on the Turn getting almost 3:1 on a call(pot is $501/$175 to call).

Shoving > Calling > Folding

snap shove. obv.

YOU FLOP SET DUDE DONKS TURN W/ SPEECH SAY WHAT?! GET IT IN THE MIDDLE BRO!!

Insta-shove on the turn, especially after the speech.

Showed KK didn't he?

This is a "Say hello to my little friend" fist pump karate kick hells ya shove.

He has Jxs, overpair, or some Flushdraw/straight draw combo or perhaps even 2 pair.

Sure, sets are in his range as well...

add everything up, and you have more than enough equity to shove here.

And lastly, whenever villains give a speech in live play, they almost always are what I call 'weak strong'.

They are strong enough to give the speech, but weak enough to want you to fold. Usually, something like a pair with a flush draw would give the speech.

People who flop or turn the nuts do not give speechs to people who just raised them. They STFU and hope you keep betting.

So, whenever someone gives me the speech, I almost always just shove on them out of principle then watch them squirm and fold .

Why are we including 9 10 in his rang. He made it 22 first to act. If hes bad enough to open here with 9 10 hes bad enough to get his money in with les than 777

Ime he doest have 88 eithet. I dont undetsyand this at all. How coild you possibly fold.

Any history about villain betting pre-flop with suited connectors? Even so, unlikely to hit. The standard wide range for the villain, pre-flop, is mid-pocket pairs up to AA, and, of course, AK, AQ. With hero's call, he is essentially set-mining.
With the flop, and the subsequent raise by hero to $130, the villain makes a very strong call. This shows a lot of strength, but he still has a wide range that the hero could be beating. In addition, hero made a set, exactly what he wanted pre-flop. With this flop, even with hero's raise, 90% of the 1-2 table will not fold their pocket pairs from 99 on up to AA. Plus, the villain did not see the hero raise pre-flop, indicating most likely something less than JJ for the hero to the villain. Hero could have been slow playing, but unlikely with two people behind him. Villain is going to make this call with any set (333, 888), of course, and AA, KK, QQ, JJ, probably not TT or 99, but the latter is very player dependent. Villain could easily be thinking that hero may have a big draw with hero's raise, and villain, thus, is protecting a big pocket pair (villain's initial bet of $40 is too small for this).
On the J turn, hero still has 25% chance to hit his boat on the river. However, villain has made another very strong move with his bet of $175. This is the proper sized bet to keep the hero from calling if the villain thinks the hero might still be on a draw, and tried to semi-bluff the flop with an OESD or FD. The villain is doing this still with top pair, and unfortunately, with JJ; also 33 (unlikely to bet 33 pre-flop) and 88. The hero is still beating a large part of the villain's range (QQ, KK, AA). The villain does not want to give the hero a free card after the turn. The villain is not betting on the turn with TT, 99, and certainly not AK or AQ. I would make the call on the turn.

Curious to know what they had, but I'm pretty sure you laid down a winner. Old Super System line, I don't think its possible to not get all in with a set in a raised pot

from your post i get that u did the correct lay down... but i cant see him haveing anythign that beats u other than JJ that just hited on turn... (no that i bilieve he indeed had jj)

now if u can read set - overset situations on the turn after this action, u r my poker god...

i would shove this all day long...

if he is fish i expect him to show up here with aa-kk and aks- aqs

I need the results. Op are you rolled for this game? If you dont go broke here you sbould stack up and leave. No shame in it.

Any chance of results?

+1 Shove.