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KQ from SB, thoughts on my line? KQ from SB, thoughts on my line?

11-16-2016 , 04:40 PM
This is a local game, bar back room, it's 1-2, very splashy given the current lineup, everyone is drinking, we're down to 5 handed and this hand was called as the third to last hand since the place is closing up.

Hero has been the tightest one at the table, only shown down 2 hands in the couple hours since hero started, both winners in big pots. Just had to make a huge fold on the turn in a big hand and was left with only $150, so just put another $100 on the table before this hand ($250 total stack size), might be viewed as about to go on tilt since it was a pretty big loss, had about 200 in on pre and flop but had to fold on a terrible turn card

V (have him covered by about $10) capable of making big folds, honestly may fold too much, young kid, tightish but not particularly aggressive.

Hero has KQ in SB
V on CO folds to him and he makes standard open to 12
Hero 3! to 31, V quickly calls

Flop: Q97dd

Hero bets 45, V calls

Turn 5c

Hero bets 75, V goes all in for about 100 more

Hero calls

V shows?

Thoughts on my line, and what you think V shows up with on river? I really didn't like the all in on turn but I have to call it off even though I expect against this V I'm beat more than 50% of the time. I've showed some big bluffs at this game before though and the dynamic of it being almost the last hand of the night really makes the situation gambly.
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11-16-2016 , 04:45 PM
A tight, non-aggressive player who folds too much calls your 3bet, calls your c-bet and shoves your turn bet? AA, KK, QQ, 99, AQ -- at worse, AdKd?

Anything else and I think your read might be off.
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11-16-2016 , 04:52 PM
I should add, there's a few hands between us that happened in this session. In a limped pot out of the BB I flopped trip J with no kicker, bet the flop heavy, and turn heavy and he folded turn after about a minute tank. Then won a huge pot (about 100 BB) with AQs when I floated his c bet on the flop (with all unders and backdoor flush draw) then check called an A turn and bet heavy on river Q, he called MHIG. V is stuck about 300 or 400 ish since I sat down and I've only been there a few hours
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11-16-2016 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
A tight, non-aggressive player who folds too much calls your 3bet, calls your c-bet and shoves your turn bet? AA, KK, QQ, 99, AQ -- at worse, AdKd?

Anything else and I think your read might be off.
The end of the nigh dynamic can change a lot of how people play at this game, either that or I may be over estimating the effect of it.
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11-16-2016 , 05:01 PM
So, he's stuck, you 3bet pre, and he's willing to go all-in on this turn? If you are ahead, you are right -- the end of the night does change things. Almost impossible to give good feedback if that's the case: "You had to be there."
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11-16-2016 , 05:52 PM
grunching

tight, non aggressive V calls me on that flop? I think I'm behind an awful lot of the time in a 3 bet pot
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11-16-2016 , 09:27 PM
Hate the 3 bet sizing as it gives Villian a really good price to continue with his entire range which doesnt help our cause at all. I'm making it at least 40 if I am 3 betting this just to make future streets easier to play.

Not a bad flop for our hand. I also play at a card room like this one frequently and the "power hour" as we call it (the last hour before close) definitely is more aggressive with many players trying to chase their losses and win big before the room closes for the night. Has V been playing looser than normal for the last hour? This can be so player dependent because some dont change at all during the power hour and other players go into full on spew mode. If villian has been playing his usual game for the last hour I would not be trying to stack off here, but if he has loosened up a bit then its a pretty easy gii.

The right answer here can depend so much on a couple of factors I dont know if there is enough info given to really know for sure. The last hour is the most important hour (not that the rest arent) to be paying attention and seeing who is in full on GAMBOLLL mode and who isnt.
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11-17-2016 , 02:33 AM
Why 3bet this hand pre vs a tight V? Against tight opponents you want to be 3bet bluffing more often and 3betting thinner for value as his calling range will be quite strong. KQ is far too weak of a hand to 3bet for value especially OOP and is too strong to bluff with. By calling pre you keep his range wide allowing him to have hands like QJ and maybe QTs. As played I would fold as he is certainly not jamming for value any lighter than KQ.

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11-17-2016 , 04:45 AM
Hero is repping AA, KK or QQ and Villain is still calling. I don't see how Hero is ahead here...
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11-17-2016 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by buggits30
Hate the 3 bet sizing as it gives Villian a really good price to continue with his entire range which doesnt help our cause at all. I'm making it at least 40 if I am 3 betting this just to make future streets easier to play.

Not a bad flop for our hand. I also play at a card room like this one frequently and the "power hour" as we call it (the last hour before close) definitely is more aggressive with many players trying to chase their losses and win big before the room closes for the night. Has V been playing looser than normal for the last hour? This can be so player dependent because some dont change at all during the power hour and other players go into full on spew mode. If villian has been playing his usual game for the last hour I would not be trying to stack off here, but if he has loosened up a bit then its a pretty easy gii.

The right answer here can depend so much on a couple of factors I dont know if there is enough info given to really know for sure. The last hour is the most important hour (not that the rest arent) to be paying attention and seeing who is in full on GAMBOLLL mode and who isnt.
Those last couple hands add such a different dynamic, I play in a couple of different rooms that do that and you'll see all sorts of craziness even from tight regs. I agree with those saying don't 3 bet a tight opener with this hand, and usually I wouldn't, but 5 handed, on the third to last hand of the night, with likely a looser, tilting image, stuck a little bit against someone stuck a few hundred who I suspect is loosening up and trying to get unstuck? I decided to do it.

I agree, maybe this is a "you had to be there" type of hand, but you're playing a game of reading and manipulating people, every live hand is a "you had to be there" type of hand. There's an incredible amount of perception you will have when at the table of the other players around you that will be tough to describe online, but I do the best I can to cover everything relevant.
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