1/2, 9 handed

Villain was previously in this pot:

Villain limps utg with QJ off ($600)
A few more limps
Bb ($200) raises to 17
Villain callls
Mp ($400) calls

Flop ($55)
KQ8 rainbow

Bb bets $40, villain shoves all in!, mp folds, bb snaps with K8.

Aside from this hand, villain also got 170 bb in with his overpair TT behind vs my QQ and I held in a multiway pot where i was the pfr and no3 bet. Hes been actively betting a lot and mostly taking down pots.

Otth;

Villain limps utg ($350)
2 more limps
Hero in bb ($600) raises to 21 with KK
Villain calls,
Mp ($85) calls

Flop ($66)
J72

Hero bets $42, villain calls, mp raises all in to 64, call , call

Turn ($258)
J727

At this point villain has slightly over a pot sized bet left. Thoughts?

I end up betting $70, villain raises to $170. I tank shove mostly because of his spaz factor / button clicking tendencies. Right or wrong play?

Thanks!

Think you made a mistake on flop with sizing. You want MP to be able to reopen the betting, so I'd have made it $30. As compared to your sizing, you're giving up $12 but freeing yourself to reraise if MP shoves (which is really his only play other than folding). If we're going to go bigger than $32, I prefer $50 to get a bit more value.

Not sure why you sized turn so small. I'd bet $125 or so to set up a river shove. As played I agreed with shoving over his bet given the history.

Pre: nice raise size.

Flop: I'm fine with your sizing.

I wouldn't bet small on turn. Just shove for value against V's numerous AJ, KJ, QJ, JT hands that aren't folding.

+1

Bet big on the turn and get it in. Jx is calling. 7x who cares. This game sounds juicy af.

EDIT: neglected to see that how deep you were vs V. Without any reads I am bet-calling turn - this V as described sounds like someone who will get it in with Jx and FD's.

As played, if you had a read that he only raises with nut hands, then you can bet-fold turn. Why did you bet so small on the turn? Plan the hand. Seems that you may have bet the turn without a plan, he raised and you went ahhhh ***-knuckle!

I don't think $42 vs $50 is significant, also we do not need the betting to be reopened because we don't need to iso vs villain once MP is allin. We should not be looking to reraise and push villain out of the hand we in fact want him locked into the hand for future value and overlay vs the MP allin.

Flop is nice to check here. Turn prob xjam.

there are times when considering the stack sizes of other people is important.
Like if we are considering betting $65 and someone has $120, we should almost always bet $60 as there is a negligible difference in bet size (less than 10%) and a strong change that it doesn't change their pot odds significantly.

But I think advocating for a bet that is 75% the size of what we want (in fact we could likely be going bigger here on the flop) is not good advice. Sizing on the flop is fine, if not a touch to small.

Sizing on the turn is too small. I'd rather go ~$125 here. There shouldn't be a lot of 7x in their range, and there are still lots of top pair pair+fd hands they can have for us to get value from.

As played, can't fold now. The QJ hand is sorta lol and leads us to believe that he is just clicking buttons.

But he obviously had it this time or this wouldn't be a post.
Sorry you lost that money.