Im in the sb with KK have one limp and a solid tag makes it 17 to go from the cut off with a $600 stack and he has me covered by a little bit.I make it $55 and the limper calls along with the tag in the late position. The flop comes 997 rainbow and imo make a mistake by checking this flop, and the tag makes it 150.How are you going on with this hand?Normally im not 3 betting this deep but the limper in this pot is a huge fish and I really wanted to play a heads up pot with him and was hoping to get the tag to fold.

Don't be afraid of three betting deep. Don't be afraid of playing deep.

The whole hand depends on how good the TAG is and what your image is like. From the fact that you don't even want to three bet kk I'm guessing your range is weighted to aa. Does Villain know this? Would you ever 3 bet ak and check this flop? Does Villain know this? As ANL said in another thread, having a weak/tight image sucks balls in spots like this.

There is not that much we can do now. If you are a nit and TAG is good then c/r never gets you called by worse. TAG being good is a fairly big assumption though. As played I just shove and hope he is bad enough to pay off with 1010-QQ. Betting the flop is much better.

Theres no way you can make the tag fold and have any room left to play heads up with the limper if you just have less than $400 behind that raise.

I'd probably just call as played and c/r AI OTT or OTR if that fails. It looks like the TAG is trying to push you off a hand that whiffed and I don't think he ever calls with worse if you c/r flop or donk turn. Donking river might be an option if you think his range includes anything that can call, otherwise I'd just hope to induce a bluff.

Edit: Just realised you meant pre. WTF @ not 3 betting KK pre, I seriously hope the TAG doesn't realise this because if your 3 betting range is that narrow then you need to be more wary of a 9 since he'd assume huge implieds on a call.

My image is tight i have played with the villian last week and i stacked a few fish with KK and AA last week which he saw, both in which were 3 bet pots.I do 3 bet AK and sometimes AQ in position against someone with a wide opening range but he is yet to see that.

I recently just started playing live more...I come from playing onlne mostly and i know alot of online coaches talk about how 3 betting when over 200bbs is going to get u in alot of tough spots for your stack since they are getting great implied odds to call with a wide range of hands. Im curious on what other people have to say about 3 betting deep.(over 200bbs)

The point is fine in theory.

Things to remember in practice.

1. Your opponent is also deep. You can win a big pot too.
2. Your opponent probably doesn't crush you with his positional advantage because they mostly range from terribad to not very good.
3. You don't always have to play for stacks. Like 100bb deep, if villain is willing to get it in too light at 300 deep you exploit it by changing your get it in ranges accordingly. If he is a nit getting it in deep exploit it by bluffing and taking bet/fold lines for value.

It all depends on the hands, if you want examples of those spots and how to play them read more of this forum. 3 betting TT, JJ, QQ, AQ type of hands can easily get you in trouble if you get 4 bet, slow played, run into AK on an A high flop, etc etc so those hands are sometimes better to flat call with pre flop so as to be at the top of your range. There is no way you should not be 3 betting KK and AA atleast though.

This hand is generally a trivial 3 bet though, if you flat call your hand really becomes a ****load more difficult to play because you are out of position with pretty much no idea what he has. He could be opening any 2 cards in position and pretty much any flop could prove scary for you (especially one like this one) since you really make it a win small lose big kind of scenario should you just call pre.

Is this a 2/5 or 1/2 game btw?

This is a 1/2 game

100bbs deep I'm always 3 betting aa and kk and qq but I don't like to 3 bet over 200 bb.I feel like if the tag villian 4 bet me here it's a easy fold cause getting kk all in preflop this deep is a spew,unless I have a read that he is 4 betting light.

3betting only KK and AA is bad.

Youre at a table for 3 hours taking passive lines by flatting and then all of a sudden you 3bet youre essentially turning your hand face up to anyone who is paying attention.

You then allow someone to play correctly against you. Having a wider 3bet range PF makes you more difficult to read.

Yeah to bite off on grindme, I know you're looking for advice on the hand but its more important to recognize that this hand would be even more trivial if you just 3b wider and showed down some funkiness occasionally.

As for the hand, I honestly dunno. Every line you take here will look extremely strong. I think b/b/b is TOO strong and a "solid tag" isn't going to be calling the turn unless you're crushed. I think the only legitimate threat you're worried about here is 77 or AA.

I'm not confident about it, but I think bet, c/c, c/c, repping missed AK or TT/JJ. I also wanna say that any line that involves CRAI OTT or OTR is bad, very bad IMO. If there's mass disagreement I'll explain myself.

If you 3bet deep ootb you have to bet this flop imo.

I 3bet wider when deep than I do when playing 100-150bb stacks. I will include in my range midsize suited connectors. As players tend to put you on big pairs you have deception + inititive and of course you will be taking the pot down pre or with a continuation bet most of the time.

In your hand you need to put some money in the pot. The only read you gave was "tag". He can surely have called you with much more than aces and when checked to will bet most of it.

What 1/2 games are you guys playing in that you need to widen your 3betting range? I mean sure its a good play against the right opponents but there are so many players that don't adjust and will never fold any strong starting hands even though our 3betting range is so narrow.

TBH you could be a big winner in these games and only 3bet AA,KK. Against certain players you are not playing optimally but there are so many other mistakes you can exploit post flop I wouldn't sweat balancing our 3 betting range. I mean how many 3bets do you see in a typical 8 hour ,1/2 session like 3-4 tops?

As for the hand plz bet the flop you are getting called by all worse overpairs.