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06-28-2010 , 03:49 PM

paperrock

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ok hero has kk limped to him otb deep 1/2

I raise to 11 one caller utg (moderate lag)

flop 10h 8c 2s

utg bets 20
hero raise to 70
utg reraise 175 more (150 behind)

???

results soon

heros image :superlag

Last edited by paperrock; 06-28-2010 at 03:55 PM.

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06-28-2010 , 04:15 PM

KneedUrDough

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$356 eff. (178bb) <- moderately deep
how many limpers?
iso raise has to be bigger (a lot bigger imo)
SPR is terrible for a big PP
really can’t say if your ‘Super LAG’ image is enough to justify getting it in
at first glance I would say this is a fold

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06-28-2010 , 04:20 PM

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I would need a ton more info on him before i could give you any good advice. Does he commit to TPTK? Would he play jj or qq like this? Would he play a draw like this?

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06-28-2010 , 09:49 PM

paperrock

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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough

$356 eff. (178bb) <- moderately deep
how many limpers?
iso raise has to be bigger (a lot bigger imo)
SPR is terrible for a big PP
really can’t say if your ‘Super LAG’ image is enough to justify getting it in
at first glance I would say this is a fold

he is the only limper

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06-28-2010 , 09:53 PM

paperrock

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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe

I would need a ton more info on him before i could give you any good advice. Does he commit to TPTK? Would he play jj or qq like this? Would he play a draw like this?

I have played a few sessions with him and he made a big call vs with tptk on the river when the flush got there. He definitely puts my on atc here

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06-28-2010 , 10:48 PM

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I guess if villain sees you as a ****** that would stack off with like med pp's or you have some kind of metagame thing going on then this is an easy shove?... But that is like very best case scenario. I am not so sure that risk/reward ratio computes here. A pretty competent opponent would probably know that super lags probably have zero FE and thus would not try and bluff.

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06-28-2010 , 11:18 PM

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(usually) When I'm donked into on a flop like this I just call. Reraising just says "let's get it on, dude". You don't want to say "let's get it on" and then when he responds "OK, let's do it" have doubts about what to do. Know before hand weather you'll get it all in on the flop or not and bet the flop accordingly. When I'm this deep I don't get it allin on the flop. Practice pot control. Don't worry that you're flatting and he could hit an A or complete a draw or whatever. Just call the flop and use your position the rest of the hand. Now you kindof have a coin flip decision for big$.

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06-28-2010 , 11:20 PM

kmantic

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This is what you get for playing "Superlag" and why only the best of the best can really pull of this style - you end up with a lot of marginal situations and tough decisions.

If our definition of Superlag is the same, then I'd say you probably have to get it in here. I know when I play against a maniac, I'm usually willing to play any decent pair here, all the way from AT to QQ for stacks. So if your villain is also LAG, I think he's wide enuff to justify getting it in.

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06-28-2010 , 11:42 PM

paperrock

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I think we can remove almost all pockets from his range as he limped late. So very little chance of him showing up with a set, small chance of 22. I put him on a 10 or 10 8 or j 9.

edit i just realized i made a mistake in the original post, villain was not utg he was in late pos 2 seats to my right i was otb.

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06-29-2010 , 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by paperrock

Actually his line screams set. Alot of players are unsure what to do with 22,88, and TT in any position so they limp and call raises with them.

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06-29-2010 , 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe

Actually his line screams set. Alot of players are unsure what to do with 22,88, and TT in any position so they limp and call raises with them.

I have history with the player. He doesnt limp late with pp's.......well at least not with 88 or better. He could have 22 33 44, have a hard time putting him on better than that. Even 44 is a stretch here.

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06-29-2010 , 03:58 AM

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Results: I think for a while and ask villain what he thinks I have. He looks very uncomfortable. I shove and he calls/shows q10 off. Fist pump ship it.

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06-29-2010 , 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by paperrock

This is pretty relevant information. You need to add this kind of stuff to your HH's. Saying he is moderate lag doesn't say much. Besides that your definition and my definition could be slighty or very different than each other. Better HH's make better discussion.

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06-29-2010 , 05:34 PM

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paperrock

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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe

you are correct. I was a little tipsy/tired and left out some info and made a few mistakes in the OP. I can't edit it so oops.

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06-29-2010 , 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by paperrock

i guess many players at 1/2 just do the most idiotic things. The line villain took is extremely nuts line. Pure spew into the heros flop raise. Just note it and follow this guy around.

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06-29-2010 , 11:27 PM

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hmm, him donk betting on the flop kinda makes me think he doesnt have a made hand

i think your up against something like j9 or 79, id get it in. only hand were really worried about here is 10 8, but id think he'd check raise 10 8.

also, ive seen 1/2 live players show up with j10 q10 alot of the time in these spots, they only play their cards and dont even think about what their opponents could have.

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06-30-2010 , 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by crsseyed

+1. Yeah, I just call. I'll let him think his top pair might be good and if he wants to barrel the turn, then you pull the trigger. (but if you're going to raise, it's with intent to get it in)

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06-30-2010 , 02:29 AM

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I am shocked that you have played numerous sessions vs this guy but didn't have the read that he is A) missing a vital part of his brain B) way overplays TPTK and plays it way too aggressively.

Your OP is completely useless. You need reads.

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