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Originally Posted by Lord Snow
Initiative? How? Not being rude but I think you are giving his donk bet more credit for a monster than it deserves. Most often when a passive player does this it's an info bet or semibluff and he's drawing. Most 1/2 players aren't going to lead their monsters into someone who 3 bet even with another player in. They'll play for a c/r in most instances.
By not raising the flop you've allowed him to completely take control of the hand and he should know you are going to have a very hard time calling a shove on the turn as you almost have to have 1 pair or AK.
Raising the flop imo is absolutely profitable and not lighting money on fire. Calling just to get blown off your hand on the turn is a much bigger leak.
He initiated the flop and turn action, thus he had initiative.
I absolutely agree that MOST times a villain goes for a C/r with his monsters here, and if we have 100 bb I'm shoveling money in here faster than you can imagine. However, even though we have a SPR of 3.5, it seems fundamentally bad to raise this flop/get it in with one pair. I never want to lose a 350BB pot to a recreational player with one pair. It would be completely different if I had a read on him that he was a TAG/LAG/NIT but my read is very nebulous and I included all pertinent info that might lead a rec player to decide to do something out of character. I don't think its a big leak to take a check/eval line against a generally straightforward player at all.
What do you range him at to make a raise/call line profitable? Do we think his 99-QQ is just going... ok he has to be bluffing something... lets get it in? If he can put us on a hand like you assume. Raising here, folds out marginally worse hands including qq on occasion, imo