this is table dependent if you have a bunch of droolers behind you with decent stacks limping is fine if the table is passive preflop which is pretty typical. Raising preflop is ok too alot of the time. limp /calling a raise with this hand is prob pretty bad though esp UTG. TBH I dont really mind l/f once and while in these games becuase players are so bad post flop and most dont open very light the money you waste every once and a while playing sub optum. is made up postflop if players are bad enough.

folding preflop is fine as well.
turn would be a super red flag for me when vllian pots the turn that is very rare in these games and you should be folding to his min 3bet always unless you are getting odds to fill up.

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You have pocket 6s mid pos, call a LP raise.
Flop comes J 5 2.
You check, LP makes a modest bet. You make small Raise.

Is that raise a bluff? A raise for value? Or are you raising to see if LP's bet was a C-bet? Raising for information on the real strength of LP's hand?

But you are correct Raising for Information is probably always
-EV, not a good idea, and very rarely done for purely that reason.

I guess the most nonsensical thing you could say to justify a raise:
I raised for information and to protect my hand


cliff's note: raising for information is dumb, and almost any action could be said to be 'protecting your hand'.

Raising for information = bluffing

its fairly simple

I love Bobby Hoff's line, "If you're raising to find out where you are, I'm going to tell you: You're in a world of hurt."

After getting 3-bet on the turn, check the river. It's either a trap or villain missed his draw and will fold. Not really a good spot for value after previous action.
OTT you can flat call. The player behind you is getting 3:1 immediate on a call and you should be able to get away from the hand if a scare card or big bet hits the felt.
Flop = standard.
Preflop, anything is fine as long as you don't play like a spewtard postflop when you limp and hit one pair. By limping, you are encouraging a volume pot - playing more for the str8/flush draws than the pair value of the hand. By raising you would be able to use the high pair aspect of the hand if you're in a loose game where players pay off with worse kickers.

If you're going to play KJ UTG, you had better be able to read hands well and get away from it when you run into resistance.

This hand is somewhat of an example. OP flops top pair, on a wet board, in a multiway pot. What now? Not a lot of good options, especially with a bettor in front of him on the flop and live players behind.

Just calling prices in a lot of draw and creates a pretty big pot when you only have a marginal hand here. Raising has a lot of the same drawbacks, and AJ, JT, sets, and flopped straights are all within the ranges of the players still in the hand.

I acknowledge that there are lots of different ways to play the game, and I wouldn't ever talk in absolutes such as, "never play KJ UTG" or "always play it in 1/2 NL." But I do think there are some guidelines if you are going to play it OOP.

Among them, you should be at the table long enough to know how the table is playing generally and how individuals are playing specifically. Two orbits is probably not long enough to assess whether this is the passive kind of game that will probably get limped around, which is probably what you want here. It's also not long enough to have a good sense of betting patterns, i.e. things like the following:

Will a player with a hand like KQ just flat a bet after the flop?

Will a person who raises a flop bet be doing it only with two-pair or better, or is he the type who is raising a draw?

Answers to questions like these are crucial because your edge in playing KJ UTG is coming from superior hand reading and post-flop play skills.

Which I guess leads to the second general guideline. I think you need to be a good hand reader so that you can figure out pretty quickly where you stand before committing chips or bailing.

Finally, I think board texture is critical for playing KJ UTG. Because it is a hand that creates so many marginal situations, it is a lot easier to play on a board of J 7 2 rainbow than on a board of J T 7. The first board makes it a whole lot easier to interpret bets and calls than the second.

So go ahead and play KJ UTG if you want, but have a good understanding of how the hand plays in a variety of situations, be a good hand reader, and don't fall in love with it.

The object of NL is to double up or bust someone. KJs UTG is more often going to lead to the second rule of NL--Who's most likely to go broke here?

If you believe you can play a hand like KJs UTG for a long-term profit, you're the fish. If you believe there is always a table full of droolers that you can beat with hands like KJs, then you are going to be hooked and reeled in shortly, at least here in my town. Players who underestimate the opposition is one of the ways I identify who I can win a stack off of. Their contempt is money in the bank because they are fooled into thinking I'm a big nit who only plays big hands--like KJs UTG.

The nits here in LV think everybody plays like they do, and the ball-cap kids think nobody plays like they do, and in between is me.

Dude seriously, what are you talking about. This isn't your blog. Why are you trying to big yourself up. If you cant play KJs UTG in a live 6max games then you are not a good player but rather quite a **** player.

Is this a level?

your right clearly no one who has posted in this thread is able to adjust what hands they play based on the line up at the table or gameflow, and all 1/2 games are the same. not all hands/situations happen in a vacume.

6 players mentioned in HH =/ 6 max live game. Most likely this is a 10 person table. Seriously, how many 6 max live tables do you think are running in the world outside of a special tournament?

I know its not a 6max game. But there are six players at this table(or at least that is what I was led to believe from the OP). Therefore I referred to it as 6max.

I already said in my first post ITT that if it was a full table with 9/10 villains, I had no problem folding it, although I still think its a little weak vs some lineups. But its obv not a blunder.

Six max live? Where? I might have to adjust my hand range for that game, and shoot a few unicorns in the parking lot, too.

If they have numbers like 62/7, 44/32, and 28/6 floating above their heads, then you can probably adjust and play KJs UTG at full ring besides just 6max.

Where can I get one of those? Might change my whole game.

Would someone please point out in the OP where it says a 6 max game? If it was even a short-handed game, it kinda changes things. It's always fun to win $3.

please move your trolling to another forum thanks, its hard enough to get serious advice on live hands as it is. and this forum is new and doesn't need this. thanks

LOL, I'll take that suggestion under advisement. FWIW, I did try to give serious advice to the best of my ability. If it wasn't what you wanted to hear, then I can't help it. I'll try to do better next time, unless you succeed in getting me kicked out.

Please forgive my buddy CJ, there is no fanatic quite like the convert. In this case from LLHE to LLNL, but he does play well and a lot.

I, too am converting from LLHE to NL because it is where the $ is. But my style is different and is impacted by the LLHE past.

1) I don't mind limping KJs UTG. I think guys that played a lot of limit make good hand readers and can play a limpfest NL game well.
2) I would call that flop. Now I will depart from my usual LLHE play which would be to raise this flop. There is too much real estate behind me and my position is a real problem. Not the position or the hand to try and build a big pot.
3) Call that 3bet on the turn. But I question why others are so sure it is a monster red flag. As a second interpretation I suggest that the 3bet tells the truth. That the holder has a really good hand, but not the nuts. And that bet, left unraised to a 4bet, will give an OOP player control on the river to come out checking if need be.
4) River check from the Villian also tells the truth. Good hand, but no flush. Hero has no flush but no clear edge, check through.

If you are confident in your post flop play then i guess raising or limp/calling will have the same result. I guess raising will have a higher EV coz you have the initiative but it depends on how comfortable you are with playing oop post. If its shorthanded i would almost always raise and never limp.. if its a FR table with a lot of people who will call preflop raises then i guess limp calling will be ok. This is because you really dont wanna play a super bloated pot with top pair oop.

If this is short handed then its a pretty easy bet/ fold every street with a raise preflop. If its FR i wouldnt mind check calling down. I think betting the river is spew in this situation.

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This is a fold preflop, in my opinion.

no, and i wouldnt either. Folding KJss utg is weak, period. 6 handed i would raise almost exclusively.

Normally flop should be flatted only, but here i wold raise to about 2.2x or so and fold to 3 bet. Having multiway hand at live creates some sticky situations that make you deviate from standard.