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02-05-2014 , 02:27 AM
1/2 home game.

Villain 1 BB (covers hero) 30 year old black guy,definitley gambooly and loves to try and be the bully.Makes a lot of sketchy plays,not a thinking player at all.

Villain 2 MP ($150)-middle aged white guy with tattoos,sort of a gangster.Weak/tight and doesnt get out of line often but never gives hero credit for a hand.

Hero-($220) Young kid also the host of the game,Losing image tonight but usually everyone assumes im loose and bluffy.

Pre: ($3)
Villain 2 make its $15 (standard) CO calls, Hero calls OTB with K10 ,BB calls

Flop: ($63) 10 6 3
BB donks $55 villain 2 almost folds but ends up tank calling ,Co folds

Hero ?
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02-05-2014 , 02:37 AM
Fold pre ldo.

GII vs. Villain as described.

EDIT: Didn't realize weak-tight villain called. Weird for him to tank call there. Fold flop I guess.

Last edited by Ray Horton; 02-05-2014 at 02:42 AM.
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02-05-2014 , 03:56 AM
Sounds like KT will be good fairly often here. I'm getting it in.
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02-05-2014 , 04:33 AM
Jam for sure as played. Better be careful about the 'image' part of 'losing image' if you're making this pf call regularly imo. I prefer a 3bet to a call here, if that makes you uncomfortable then hopefully it proves my point.
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02-05-2014 , 05:16 AM
pfr is described as weak tight so I think his range would dominate KT, I would 3b or fold. What is pfr calling the flop with 99 or AKs or something? I guess we have to get it in as the spr is pretty low.
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02-05-2014 , 10:16 AM
Fold preflop when a weak/tight raises pre, his range abuses KTo badly.

What do you put in V1's donking range here? And how much of it will fold to a raise? This is all over the place for a bad player. If you think he is donking wide and won't fold to a shove, then shove is probably right. If you think his range is stronger, TX+ or better with some flush draws and only the hands you beat fold then you probably need to fold here. V2's tank call looks like QQ/JJ or a nut flush draw. Given how much money he put in, he shouldn't be folding to raise, but a weak/tight might. If you think he talks himself into calling if he gets raised, then you need to get out of the way.

This is a situation where you need to think about possible ranges and how they react to your action for both villains. It is easy to put together combinations where raising flop is right (V1 is wide and V2 can be bet off his hand) and ones where it is an easy fold (V1 is on a decent hand or big draw when donking and/or V2 won't fold and is ahead or on a big draw). I think the biggest factor is V2's chance of folding here. After putting in that much money he shouldn't but a real weak/tight may fold here.
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02-05-2014 , 10:32 AM
I'm folding pre with V opening for 10% of his stack...I think 3 betting is meh; are we continuing when we miss on an Ace-high flop? After a 3bet pre of about 40$, that makes pot around 85 and V has 110 behind....not ideal stack sizes IMO.
As played, with V drinking for nearly pot otf AND OR calling, I'm folding. Even if we are ahead, we are most likely dodging a lot of cards on the next two streets.
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02-05-2014 , 10:36 AM
pre is a little loose but i dont hate it. on the flop i this V1 is leading here with a draw almost always and maybe some weak Tx hands. i would prolly shove and expect to see 89s 87s 76s
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02-05-2014 , 10:40 AM
This is at really poor flat call preflop , as played, given the player descriptions I think we're good often enough here to close are eyes and stick it in like in middle school

It's a home game , ya , more reason to jam
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02-05-2014 , 10:48 AM
Horrible call pre, now I would call flop. Let him shove turn with a missed draw rather than get it in as a small favorite. You will get his money anyways if he is donking a tx hand like this.
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02-05-2014 , 01:29 PM
Yea pre is sketchy.if know 100% big blind is calling and that I can outplay everyone post is it still that bad? I'm trying to play against BB in position as much as possible correct?

Hero shoves,ended up getting called in both spots.

I'm super comfortable getting it in against v1s range and after v2 tank calls he never has an over pair but most likely 2 overs,pretty sure he would shove with hearts.
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02-05-2014 , 05:52 PM
I dont like the call pre
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