Hero - $900 - been at table for an hour with not much going. Had one hand where I 3bet JJ in the BB over an open to $20 and 2 callers to $120. All 3 players called.

$480 pot of Q72dd where I bet $150/folded to a call and a jam. One player not in the hand had AQ and V2 had Q2. Probably shouldn't of bet into 3 other players, pretty big leak. V2 held

Villain 1 $3000 - Seems to open to $30 a lot. He has been running real good and picking up strong hands.

Villain 2 $1500 - the donkey with the Q2

Villain 3 $1400 - Not much info on him yet as he hasn't gotten involved all that much.

Villain 1 opens to $30 UTG+1
Villain 2 calls
Villain 3 calls
Hero 3bet JJ to $150. I don't mind a flat here ether vs a 6x open but it seems to be the new standard for some of these villains

Villain 1 tank calls - Probably AK or AQ was my read.
Villain 2 donkey calls
Villain 3 back jams for $1400

$750 more for me to call.
WTF hands could Villain 3 have here?

You have pot odds of 1760:750, so better than 2:1. That means you need 30% equity to call. I don't think V3 flatted/jammed with aces or monster pairs, but if he did you should write a note on him. If he bluff-jams with JJ-, it is a trivial call. If there is a chance V3 could do that move with AK, it is a good call.

Well 16 combos of AK and 18 combos of AA/KK/QQ so probably 50/50. But will he make this move with AK is beyond me.

But who calls AA/KK/QQ over an UTG+1 bet and a donkey call of $30 in the CO???

I could see AK doing that more often.

Agree. Did you call in the end?

Looks more like AK, but happened to me recently.

UTG limps, I make it $20 OTB w/ QQ, SB flats, BB flats, UTG raises, I jam, SB jams w/ KK, UTG calls w/ JJ.

Seriously, vs. an unknown, I probably just let JJ go. The only way I wouldn't is if there is any way he thinks you are full of it. I mean, what can he possibly put you on that's worth the jam? (BTW, are you the BTN? Also, did you give any indication you were going to raise? He might have picked up on it and flatted in anticipation.)

Eehhh, I guess it’s a live read. I can get behind a call or a fold. My gut says this is a mid pair squeezing the dead money.

Yours is an UTG hand though limp reraising. This guy over called an UTG and a cold caller

Your and their positions?

Kind of a small size pre regardless, I'm not excited to give them all a chance to see a flop and if donkey gamble calls with Q2 I like sizing up for value.

If V3 had a hand he would probably have squeezed, snap call. I've seen this kind of play lately with lower pairs.

Mine is an SB flatting a BTN raise w/ KK with an UTG limper (I'm sure SB thought UTG might limp/raise, but it was risky -- paid off for him beautifully)...

ohh ok I thought it was the UTG

V3 is CO and I'm BB

thats what its all about isnt it?

Way too small pre OOP - go at least $180

I would snap call this off for sure.

Edit: I agree bigger with your pre raise is better when it’s already been shown that multiple players with call a similar amount.

I have noticed the open size going up to 30 sometimes even 40 without a straddle on. I think that players get used to playing vs this sizing with a straddle on and decide to just use it regardless. Atleast in the games I play in.

This has happened to me 3 times in just the last week. Twice by the same player, straddle was on he limped from ep, I iso 40 and get 4 callers and he jams 700..I folded that one but he showed AK ( I had 99)..he did it again except I go 40, 2 seats to my left goes 100, he flats the 100 I make 325, 3bettor flats and he jams 900 i call 3bettor folds i show him QQ and he says ehhh..atleast my suits are live..he had an underpair ..the third time was vs a regular, old guy, retired probably plays everyday sitting 2 seats to my right..I was probably raising his limps that day and he decided to go for the limp/jam with AA..I folded but he got called by JJ

Sorry for the ramble but I think you have to make some assumptions about the player. I know you didnt have much info but is he old/young? Are you on his direct left? I'm just wondering because based on my recent experience it heavily depends on the player type.



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He wasn't old or young. Prolly 35-45

Were you on his left? Is it possible he can make an assumption that you favor being aggressive vs passive?

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World of difference between someone l/rr first to act and someone calling after a raise and call, then jamming. Going to be 88-JJ a lot. Easy call with JJ.

Need ~36% to break even on the call. Stove JJ vs QQ+/AK and you have precisely that amount of equity … and villains range sure as sh*t isn't that strong. Call.

Results

I'm pretty sure he was just a fish as later on in the session he ended up limp folding a lot

Fish dont tend to bluff too often so I would lean towards folding..that's why I asked if he could gather that you were aggressive, or if the table dynamic was aggressive. If the answer is yes to either of those then AA and KK become limp/rr more often by worse players because they dont know how to play them when there are 6 players in the pot. Atleast that's what I was told by a fish. The older gentleman i spoke of in my previous post, i asked him why he limped aces and he said you cant win preflop and you young guys with your re-raises and what not, idk how to play aces when I make it 30 and get 5 callers. So I limp and try to trap or if it get re-raised then I'll just pile it in. Lol which is kind of funny but makes sense from his pov in a strange way

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He's UTG+1 so due to his stronger range this might be the time to flat an upper med PP

I've seen these types of plays a lot and even though I saw the spoiler I was going to say at least QQ+ and I would snap fold (I would have flatted pre though). Yes players try to be sneaky and it's still a big part of their repertoire.

Oh well this is a weird play that can bring you some money if done cautiously. Actually it really depends on the field, but I usually don't make such a move. Risk of letting people see a cheap flop is too high.

Definitely call with all the dead money in there. Could do this with AK or AQ 99 and 10/10

Exactly. I my hand above, the SB's KK would have lost to the BB's A7o if UTG hadn't limp/raised.