$1/$2 $200 max buy in playing 9 handed. Villains are guy who just bought in for $200, guy who has been at the casino for 40 hours straight and is playing fairly tight with $275 (covers), another player who recently bought in and has $80 left. Hero has $250 and position on the other villains.
Limped to Hero who raises to $20, all three villains call.
Flop ($83 pot) 10-8-6 rainbow.
Checks to hero. Hero bets?

Not enough info on player profiles, judging how they all call your $20 raise preflop they should at least have suited connector overcards that may include a 10, suited Ax, or at best 22-99 which should be your biggest concern and someone is slow playing trips.

If this was me i would bet at least half-1x pot. To a smart player your repping an over pair or at worst A10 based off of your pre flop raise. A $40 bet will let you know where you stand, but the worst thing you can do here is not bet enough and let someone catch if they have J9, or something of the sort.

For me there are two options on the flop:

1) Decide you want to play for stacks right at this moment and make a conventional 60 ish bet, and jam 120 on (almost) all turn cards. There's 80 in the pot and we have only 180 behind, with this SPR we need to decide right now based on Villains if we plan on stacking off or not, before we are potentially forced to later on

2) Check the flop hoping villain shoves his remaining 60 in to the 80 pot on the turn. This way you can call on the button with ease and you should be way ahead of his shoving range on most turns. If another villain calls the shove then you have a relatively easy re-shove imo.

I think I would just bet the flop for 60, hope to get a call or two (or take it down right here) then bomb the turn on all none J Q or 10 cards, hoping to get a call from things like A10, any draws (if the players are bad enough) and expect to be good a lot of the time.

Playing for stacks is scary stuff, especially when we aren't at the top of our range, but due to the SPR I think this is a good spot to do so

Just my thoughts

Pot is 83, effective stacks are 60, 180 and 230.

I think another option is to bet 30 so that a shove from short stack reopens the betting on the flop. You'll have more info on everyones' ranges and various options yourself.

I don't like checking back on the flop because any A, K, Q, T, 9, 8 or 7 potnetially puts one or mor Villains ahead of you.

A big bet might isolate you vs better hands and good draws while a small bet can get calls from 99/8X and even 6X.

Yeah, I think I like betting 30 here.

I'm starting to like betting $30 also. If the short stack can call $20 preflop with an $80 stack, I suppose he could shove his last $60 and reopen the betting. That is the best case scenario. The worst case is I get 3 calls again and have to fold on lots of turn cards. I suppose I'm just out $50 in that case.

But when you get called in 3 spots you have position, betting lead and more info on V ranges. They'll likely check turn in front of you so you can decide what you do.

Interested to hear what other more experienced players think though..

Sounds like one of them could have flopped a set since they tried to limp/call a 10x bb raise preflop.

Either that or your at the greatest table in the world

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We're evaluating a value bet. Factors to consider:

1. Do we have enough equity against V's calling range?

Yes - villain can call with many worse pairs like AT-JT, T9, any hand with a 9 for a gutshot, random overcards. Villains likely don't have overpairs or would have raised.

2. Do we need to build the pot? If we bet now, we're committing ourselves to stacks given that eff SPR is 1-3 between all villains. With an overpair here, I'm happy committing ourselves on flop + most turns, so let's say "yes".

3. How big should we bet? Having the short stack in the hand with PSB remaining makes me want to bet exactly $80. We're happy to GII with them, and if another V calls, we can shove most turn cards.

Given all that, we should bet/fold $80.

We're folding to a raise because this is a 1/2 table and most players are passive. It's possible someone could check/shove with a worse hand or draw, like 99, but this is a much smaller part of their range than the part consisting of all the top pair combos.

I don't get it, c-bet $45-65. Is that the question?

Yes, with the plan of what to do next. So far we have a bet of $30 and a bet of $80 proposed. With the $80 bet, we are looking to get it all in on a good turn card or fold to a flop raise. With the $30 bet, we are looking to set up a profitable flop scenario where we can go all-in or go to the turn with the villains ranges being better defined if they just call.

Bet half pot

If you bet less than 60 and more than 30 the short stack can shove without reopening the betting. If the others have draws (even pair+overcard) then they will call the allin and you'll be in a huge pot on the turn with a potentially difficult decision on most turn cards.

I want to c bet the largest amount that I think will get called by worse hands, and allows me to comfortably control the pot size on a variety of run outs. IMO 80 is too big and 30 is too small, but I'm sure a decent argument can be made for both.

If we get check raised then you're in the same position as I was in this thread:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...p-c-r-1633850/
the consensus there seems to be to get it in on a check raise.

Slightly different in that there are two opponents, it would depend who made the raise etc.

IMO deal with your value betting criteria first, worry about a check-raise if it happens. Lots of turn cards will change the action too so just fire off a nice value bet, and evaluate further action when you have more information.

I'd B/F $60 for value, charging TP and TP/GS combos. Except for the SS, I'd fold to a CR.

If called, evaluate turn, might check back for pot control depending on live read.

I think bet should be <=30 or >=60 basically.

lol we have a full blown opposite opinion on bet-size here? Less than $30 into $80? Why?

^ I explained above. If you bet 40 it looks like you have a moderate strength hand, maybe just a bad cbet. Someone can call that pretty wide and then, if short stack shoved for 60 they'll call the extra 20 and you won't be able to reraise. The pot will be really bloated and you are in a side pot with lots of bad turn cards to make your life difficult.

If you bet 60 or more then you clear out some of the pair+overcard hands and gutshots that might cause you problems in the above scenario if you bet 40 and get call plus shorty shove.

If you bet 30 you may get a call(s), the short stack shove would then reopen the betting and you can shove or whatever.

Alright I'm on board with that logic.

But don't we want to get money from a pair+draw, not fold it out?

Yeah, that's why I prefer the 30 bet. It is a bit small but it still gets some value from worse while avoiding weird sidepot situations.

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