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03-03-2012 , 11:58 AM
5 handed game the game is 5/10 with a $20 straddle. I have Pocket Jacks and am first to act ($1500). The straddle player ($2500) is loose and likes to rearaise his stradle to $80. I limp he will raise half of the time. The bb ($600)has been raising to $60 about 40% of the time. The other two players are just sitting waiting for hands that never come.

I have been playing tight the BB and stradle and big blind will fold to my raises if they don't have a premium hand. I have history with them and they generally slow down when I call and raise.

I call $20 hoping to check call a raise and control the pot so if the flop sucks and he bets into me such as over cards hit I can escape. The other two players fold BB calls Straddle raises to $80. I decide not raise and just call. BB folds

flop 10h 9s 9d rainbow.
He checks I check

Turn Qh
He bets $60 I call.

River 4c
He checks I check.

Any thoughts?

Last edited by jlocdog; 03-03-2012 at 12:13 PM. Reason: removed results
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03-03-2012 , 12:40 PM
Doesn't sound like you should be playing 5/10; you are way too passive and not pressing thin spots at all.
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03-03-2012 , 01:16 PM
Grunch

I prefer to just raise this hand before the flop. Playing JJ passively in a big pot will be very difficult when you don't flop a set and or over cards fall. I will say that I prefer l/c over l/rr though seeing as you guys are still kinda deep even given the straddle (well not really). I find that when there is a straddle to $20 in this type of game, people tend to raise a tighter range than normal b/c the pot will be "big enough" if even a few players just call. I just don't think you will be able to get stacks in profitably before the flop.

OTF once he checks to you, this is a must bet. I really see no problem with taking the pot down here, plus any A, K, or Q is not good. Once you check the flop, the rest of the hand is played fine IMO. I don't see much reason to bet the river since the only hands that you beat that can call you are smaller PP's (which probably call), and 10x (which probably bets the flop).
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03-03-2012 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jjpokertime
I call $20 hoping to check call a raise and control the pot so if the flop sucks and he bets into me such as over cards hit I can escape.
This is pretty bad imo
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03-03-2012 , 01:22 PM
Too bad, raise and bet flop so turn another bet, river check check, I think its a good line
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03-03-2012 , 02:09 PM
Ya, u really shouldnt be playing 5/10 IME, unless u r rich and dont really care about money
Raise Pre
As played, Bet Flop
As played, your turn call and river check are alright.
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03-03-2012 , 03:15 PM
This is the wrong forum for this I think. This isn't low limit.

First, raise pre all day, especially five handed.

However, if you are going to limp waiting for the raise, why the heck do you not three bet pre? This is insane. Make it 200 to go.

Why on earth do you not bet the flop here in position after a check? You have a pair. That's good 90% of the time in this game when V doesn't raise.

As played, turn call is fine, and river check is ok.

You played this hand in a way that you have put 150 in the pot with no idea about what your opponent has. You could be ahead (and be extracting value) or behind (and be donating another 150 if he bets river).
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03-03-2012 , 03:33 PM
[QUOTE=The Rumor;31865954]This is the wrong forum for this I think. This isn't low limit.

First, raise pre all day, especially five handed.

However, if you are going to limp waiting for the raise, why the heck do you not three bet pre? This is insane. Make it 200 to go.

Why on earth do you not bet the flop here in position after a check? You have a pair. That's good 90% of the time in this game when V doesn't raise.

As played, turn call is fine, and river check is ok.

You played this hand in a way that you have put 150 in the pot with no idea about what your opponent has. You could be ahead (and be extracting value) or behind (and be donating another 150 if he bets river).[/QUOTE

I have 5 year history with villian he rebuys more than anyone I know. If I raise preflop or 3 bet pre villian will fold he likes to have the lead or he folds. I want him to push a weak hand on me. If I bet flop he will fold his junk and I know I have the best of it and turn will likely give me a redraw. I want to play a pot with him.
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03-03-2012 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jjpokertime
Any thoughts?
1) You should have stuck with your game plan. Having JJ five way is really good. The straddle did what you wanted, so you should have raised him. I have no problems with limping to send it around with the intention to re-pop, especially if I'm reasonably certain there will be a raise behind.

2) Having snap decided to set mine, you still got a decent flop that leaves you with an overpair. Your main vulnerability is a nine or what's even worse: (10,9). Here, lead at that flop before an over card can drop off and ruin your hand.

3) I think it's likely you left value out there with this hand.

Don't be changing your game plan until/unless you have evidence that you need to change it.
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03-03-2012 , 05:36 PM
jjpokertime--put some of those facts in the original post if you want better advice. Your post describes the villain in a generic way so you are going to get generic advice.

IMO this is also why this should be in a higher stakes forum.
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03-04-2012 , 12:01 AM
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If I raise preflop or 3 bet pre villian will fold he likes to have the lead or he folds. I want him to push a weak hand on me.
If this is true, then 3bet light the **** out of him and he'll start to play back at you with medium holdings when you hold JJ. I just don't like a flat call to try to "trap" him. If he folds to 3bets, punish him and he'll open up and call you lighter and lighter.
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