2-5

500 eff

Hero is 24, sick as hell, on top of looking like he just came off a 3 day bender, shaving has not occurred since last week, not played any hands of significance so far

V is a real goofball, late 20s, Jewish, trying his best to look the part of a sicko wizard but only a few orbits in it is evident he isn't a strong player limping almost every hand, weird min raises

V open limps utg +2
Hero is OTB with J 10 raises to 20
Bb calls
V calls

~60
10 6 3r

Check, check, hero bets 40
Bb folds, v raises to 105

Hero?

Hero takes about ten seconds then calls
~270
Turn 7x

V bets 160

Hero?

Hero tanks
V "I'll help you out bro, save your money"
Tank a little more and shove for 375 total

V tanks for 4 minutes and folds


Thoughts on this hand?

You're going to have to give us some more information here so that we can tell you if you're a genius or an idiot.

First off, when you call his flop raise, what are you expecting him to raise with? Is he doing this with complete air? A draw? TP/MK to "see where he is at"? Second pair to make you fold?

Second, when he bets the turn, what do you think he's betting with?

Third, when you raise, do you want to be called, do you think that you are ahead?
Or are you shoving as a bluff trying to get him to fold better T's? 2p?

In short, we need hands, ranges, some notion of what's going on in his head, and what's going on in your head. Otherwise you are just clicking buttons..

See where he is at 100%


Is he check raising that flop with a set? I doubt it

Did he flip two pair? Tough for him to flop two pair there, if he did NH, chip runner on 10

This is all read dependent and there isn't really much that can be said over the net here. Against an unknown 2/5 fish, I fold to the flop raise. On such a dry board, the only hand likely to do that hero is ahead of is 54, better TX and sets have hero in bad shape. However, if villain has been making bluff/semi-bluff moves, you have to call here some of the time.

On turn, villain is obviously repping the 54, but if you don't think he has it, shoving isn't bad. You can get some better TX to fold as they probably put you on an over pair, and villain is likely to have some sort of draw on turn if he is behind.

Is he limp calling with JJ+? Maybe


Like I said, he is doing his best to impersonate a sicko wizard, I honestly think it was a combo flop raise to "see where he is at"/looking to "outplay" me

Am I going to be able to raise over one limper OTB with J10 off, get a ten high flop and fold to his 105 raise otf profitably?

Do I think I have any considerable amount of fold equity jamming for 215 more with the pot that size? No, maybe he folds queen ten

Him talking didn't represent strength IMO too

If I am understanding the thought process correctly:

-Your read is that he is weak on the turn
-You don't think you have enough FE for anything more than Q10.

With that said, would he barrel the river? If yes then why not call and then snap off river? If no, can you call turn/fold river since you said he's basically not folding anything that beats you on the turn anyway? Just some thoughts

The talking is really about reading the villain. For fish, it is often a sign that he is bluffing or over playing his hand. However, maniacs and hyperlags will say the same stuff when they do hit a monster so it really on indicates that their range is very polarized.

This flop is rather weird to raise, and given your description I think at least calling the flop here is right. What could he have that raises here? Sets would want to nurse at least one more bet out of you, while single pairs should be flatting to keep the pot size under control. The various straight draws will mostly flat, but some would raise if they think they have FE. For a generic fish, AT that thinks you may be c-betting and wants to find out is likely but it doesn't seem right for this villain. Against a generic unknown fish, I fold flop more because I don't want to have to call a turn shove with a weak top pair without some idea what villains bluffing rate is. Mentally though, I would be chalking this up to a likely bluff.