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J9s from the blind 5/5 NL J9s from the blind 5/5 NL

07-11-2014 , 05:45 PM
$600 effective stacks, villian is old man coffee type, straightforward, bets when has it, passive when doesn't have it

Hero in SB with J9

Preflop:

1 limp, mp raise to $15, 4 calls, hero calls, limper calls

Flop (POT = $105)

J53

1 Check, pfr bets $40, hero calls, limper calls

Turn (POT = $225)

T

Limper bets $75, 1 call, hero calls

River (POT = $500)

6

Hero Donks $200
Limper shoves AI $225 ish more
1 fold

Hero?
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07-11-2014 , 05:51 PM
I guess the limper can have 24cc A4cc but there are more flushes you beat.

Description of limper would of course help. Is he shipping with a straight?

It's an easy call.
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07-11-2014 , 06:02 PM
5.5 to 1 on a call. it's not even a decision. Maybe he floated flop with KQcc but really I can't think of a hand that beats you. Ac3c maybe. His line is wierd but it looks a lot like JT or sets, maybe some other 2pr type hands or 7s4s. Your river bet looks a little like a blocker bet so he can be jamming on you somewhat wide
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07-11-2014 , 09:06 PM
I'd raise turn as a semi-bluff. As played, on the river you only have like a pot sized bet left. Just ship river. It looks more bluffy and if you only bet $200 you are throwing away a lot of value. As played call river raise because you don't have to be good that often for a call to be the right play.
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07-11-2014 , 09:26 PM
a shove for barely a min-raise when i have a J-high flush? yeah, i'm calling.
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07-11-2014 , 10:59 PM
Snap call. I expect to see a set or two pair a lot.
Fold pre. It's a leak to call pre OOP multiway unless you're up against someone who often stacks off with top pair
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07-12-2014 , 02:04 AM
The action in this post is incorrect. OP, who is the OMC? Please refer to the V in the hand as the V, not as the PFR or limper. Also, there must be 2 checks OTF in order for the hand to make sense. This thread needs to be clarified before good advice can be given. Also, there seems to be 2 Vs in the hand so you need to give profiles of both.
In general, if an OMC raises you OTR with a flushing board he has the nut flush.
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07-12-2014 , 07:39 AM
I think I disagree with the way we played every street, to be honest.

Completing the SB with J9s is okay in my book, but calling a raise is not.

So fold pre.

Also fold flop.

We shouldn't be calling the turn, we should be check raising because we have a pair and our draw is not to the nuts.

Calling the river although we should expect to see A3 pretty often. Actually I can't think of any hands that make it to the river that we beat but maybe we see some lower flushes which spazz-backdoor-called the flop or something, and sometimes we see sets or two pairs that the villain made a horrible river bet with because he was "ready to go home."
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07-12-2014 , 08:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dunderstron!
I think I disagree with the way we played every street, to be honest.

Completing the SB with J9s is okay in my book, but calling a raise is not.

So fold pre.

Also fold flop.

We shouldn't be calling the turn, we should be check raising because we have a pair and our draw is not to the nuts.

Calling the river although we should expect to see A3 pretty often. Actually I can't think of any hands that make it to the river that we beat but maybe we see some lower flushes which spazz-backdoor-called the flop or something, and sometimes we see sets or two pairs that the villain made a horrible river bet with because he was "ready to go home."

You all can hand read and do combinations all you want, if V on the river is the player you described as OMC, at these stakes, you are beat, you just are. I think it is important to learn to think like OMC, if you are going to be playing guys like him.
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07-12-2014 , 09:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SqredII
You all can hand read and do combinations all you want, if V on the river is the player you described as OMC, at these stakes, you are beat, you just are. I think it is important to learn to think like OMC, if you are going to be playing guys like him.
btw, if the limper and eventual river v is OMC, I can EASILY see him turning over AJc here. I play with a lot of these guys in the 1/3's around vegas, and I feel free to give you a peak inside his head.

MMM......1."AJ suited, I don't really have anything yet, guess I will limp in."

2. "Top pair, not bad, but this raiser could easily have an overpair,
I better just check call."

3. "I just picked up nut club draw, but there is 220 in there, the
guy with the overpair might bet like 200, I better set my price
by betting 75." (this is very advanced OMC poker strat, btw. And you guys let it work and gave him almost three to one not including implied with a possible 14 out hand, genius.)

4. "Gin!!!!! This idiot just bet 200 into the nut flush and he will
probably call off the rest. God, they play bad "

Last edited by SqredII; 07-12-2014 at 09:12 AM.
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07-12-2014 , 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SqredII
btw, if the limper and eventual river v is OMC, I can EASILY see him turning over AJc here. I play with a lot of these guys in the 1/3's around vegas, and I feel free to give you a peak inside his head.
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You can't blame him for limping AQs or ATs. He doesn't want people to fold junk like J9s; little does he know that people are calling raises with weak hands like that.

Fold pre.

Fold flop.

You can make a case for shoving the turn. We're ahead of all flush draws; they don't have a pair yet.

Fold river.
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07-12-2014 , 10:49 AM
misclick
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07-12-2014 , 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SqredII
btw, if the limper and eventual river v is OMC, I can EASILY see him turning over AJc here. I play with a lot of these guys in the 1/3's around vegas, and I feel free to give you a peak inside his head.

MMM......1."AJ suited, I don't really have anything yet, guess I will limp in."

2. "Top pair, not bad, but this raiser could easily have an overpair,
I better just check call."

3. "I just picked up nut club draw, but there is 220 in there, the
guy with the overpair might bet like 200, I better set my price
by betting 75." (this is very advanced OMC poker strat, btw. And you guys let it work and gave him almost three to one not including implied with a possible 14 out hand, genius.)

4. "Gin!!!!! This idiot just bet 200 into the nut flush and he will
probably call off the rest. God, they play bad "
Hero has the Jc
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07-12-2014 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ryno19
Hero has the Jc
oops
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