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J5 one spade on KQ10 all spade board. J5 one spade on KQ10 all spade board.

03-19-2016 , 01:41 PM
Live 1/2 effective stacks 225.
8 handed. everyone at table had between 125 and 300.

Hero straddled.
j5

7 people limped the straddle.

I check with garbage.

kq10

Hero checks.
UTG+2 (125) V1 bets 20 crazy player. He can have anything.
UTG +3 (225) V2 raises to 65

V2 had just rebought 2 hands before. He was straight forward tight-ish player. 25 years old, friendly but quiet.
I don't think he raises in this spot with just the A (maybe if he has a J to go with it). I think he might raise here with a made straight or KQ or weird played set. But honestly I think he has 2 low s here like 75% of the time.

Really my question is do I have any fold equity here?

I should note that pretty much everyone had been agreeing to run it 3x for the last few hours.
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03-19-2016 , 01:48 PM
Hand Equity Wins Ties
js 5c 28.99% 287 0
6s 7s 71.01% 703 0

IF he flopped a baby flush, this is a fold since you are only drawing to a better flush and he has two of those cards.

If his range includes two pair, top pair, etc, then you should push as a semi bluff because you have equity against everyone and fold equity against even the A (depending on their other card) and if you miss the flop, you may be folding the turn if the odds don't work out.

I don't like calling because V1 could (and should) shove re-opening the betting for V2 and that puts you into calling with this hand after putting in a big chunk of your stack.

we're in the casino to gamble, so go Gamburglar them. AAAAAALLLLLLLL IIIIINNNNN
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03-19-2016 , 02:22 PM
Personally, I prefer not to get my money in like this...shoving over a bet and a raise in a limped pot, on a draw that may or may not be to the nuts, when some of my outs are likely taken, and with questionable FE.
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03-19-2016 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DTLB
Personally, I prefer not to get my money in like this...shoving over a bet and a raise in a limped pot, on a draw that may or may not be to the nuts, when some of my outs are likely taken, and with questionable FE.
without giving action or results yet, the above is exactly what was going through my mind.
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03-19-2016 , 03:07 PM
Pretty simple. If you feel like gambling, call or raise; if you want to play safer, fold. If V has a lot of draws or two pair hands, raising is fine.

Fold equity kind of depends on your image. Any idea? Are you the only straddler or is everyone straddling? (I hope everyone is straddling since you did it UTG, which is the worst place to straddle.)
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03-19-2016 , 03:12 PM
OP - it mainly depends on the ranges you assign to the others and the resultant equity you have.

So, assign ranges to V1 and V2 and we'll take it from there.
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03-19-2016 , 03:24 PM
I would say both players play like any 2 cards....except unsuited, unconnected cards.

V2 isnt putting money in unless he thinks he has a very strong made hand....raises with min top 2 in this spot I would say. Honestly like I said before I think he has a small flush 80% of the time. a set 10% of the time. a str8 5% and top 2 like 5%,...i doubt he is re-raising here with AK unless he has the A of spades.

so most people were straddling.

My image was probably pretty competent but likes to gamble.

I am pretty sure I made a bad shove ;( the more I think about it.

If he never folds a small flush for sure my shove was bad imo
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03-19-2016 , 03:26 PM
against that narrow range this is a fold. If V2 had the short stack, then I think a shove is fine since V1 should call with much worse and the side pot makes up for those times V1 has your spades.
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03-19-2016 , 03:26 PM
If he has a small flush 80%, it's a fold.
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03-19-2016 , 03:48 PM
Ya a fold, I agree.
I shoved.

V1 instant folded

v2 didnt snap but also didnt think for more then 10 seconds.

he had a 7 high flush 74

we ran it three times and i lost all 3.
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03-19-2016 , 03:50 PM
Ouch to losing all three!
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03-20-2016 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Ouch to losing all three!
Probably a good thing. I won't forget it is sometimes okay to fold a royal flush draw!
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03-21-2016 , 06:47 AM
If you had led here, I would see getting it in. But, as played, it's a straddled pot, so eff stacks are about 50bb. You check, there's a bet and raise and action back to you. In this spot, I'd be concerned that we're drawing to 2 outs -- or one out if someone has As. So I'd fold given that we've invested so little in this pot.
If we lead the flop, the action changes, the math changes, and maybe we have to get it in. But once we check, and realize that we can't see turn and/or river cheaply, fold is best play.
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