saw a hand in HSNL that i thought looked pretty cool.

my thoughts
1. would never fold this hand in a televised game, but could see reasons or
2. could siever be playing ak like this as a merge/bluff?
3. prob a good fold given no show

-Hand took 10 mins!
-What does Colman's 5b range look like?
-It was a good fold but I don't like pre...

too hard to tell cause we don't know their perceived 5b / call 5b ranges. live poker is a lot about tingly senses and accurately judging someone's range in a particular instance.

colman should probably check flop so he can have KK in his range on later streets to decrease seiver's bluff frequency and realize his showdown value more often; however if seiver's got that many bluffs in his range he should just bet/bet/shove or bet/bet/x/c (or another line that induces the air to spazz). bet/bet/x/f seems like a bad line to ever take in a 5bet pot cause they either ONLY have the nizzles (seiver calls flop with KK; folds with QQ on flop; folds AK pre), and you should do something different (5b larger pre; x/decide on flop or turn, most likely x/fing and sighing that they spiked their 2 outer) or they have lots of air and you should just either barrel off for value or x/c to induce

poker (esp. live poker) is a lot about instincts. I'm sure colman has good instincts and he believed it was a fold on the river — and his judgment of his own hands will forever be better than ours



these guys are also probably better at poker than me so w/e my input is meaningless

Is 5-betting with these stacks a good idea?

I'm worried that Colman turns his hand face up with this massive sizing. He also looked really, really uncomfortable.

I don't like the fold nor the line. Colman really just needs to bet his stack off with AA, assuming blanks roll off, while using Kx to to c/c turn and (sometimes) river. AA has no intrinsic quality that makes it a good hand to take this line with. High absolute strength hands with no card removal quality just need to make as many bets as possible to get called by worse. And if its not strong enough to do that, he needs to be checking flop.

The problem is that in 900bb poker vs a play-master on tv, you can't just be giving him 3 combos like ever. It's quite plausible for him to cold 4-bet BU/CO/HJ with a suited broadway, flat a 5-bet with insanely deep stacks, and take this line with a bluff. His range just hasn't narrowed enough with a 1/3 pot cbet to justify this much nittery.

Narrowing your range down to one value hand 650 bbs deep oop vs someone good is regrettable, unless you have enough bluffs (throughout) where you can very comfortably bet your stack off on a board like this...

I'm guessing Colman has almost no bluffs when he 5bs here. And I don't know how anyone could think Seiver has AK??? I'd bet a lot of money he folds pre or checks back turn/bets less than 120 with that hand.

But then again I don't really know much about these dudes and I didn't watch any of the hands prior lol, so maybe it's not all as nitty as it seems. Looking at this hand only though the game seems way too big/they are sitting way too deep. Live cash hands just can't take 10 minutes...

colman always looks uncomfortable. don't think his hand is face up (siever is on the button!)

nice post. counter would be that you should give a playmaster some rope, and small cbet c/c c/c seems best way to do that.

sorry, should have given warning

Direct link to hand

https://youtu.be/P7CghHmJ-Ac?t=1236

This, and especially the bolded. I actually think Seiver had it personally, but the point remains.

+1

I actually would like the line with AA if he calls the river.

JTs, QJs, any 9xs are still in his range.

If he does get to turn with AK somehow tho I think this thought...

...could have some merit bc Seiver is a sicko and he likely knew the exact situation ott.

This

This.

I like a flat pre and doing anything but folding post.

coleman does not 5-bet bluff?

he put in some 6-bet bluffs in 6-max already in 2009?

sorry, coleman is not such a standard tagfish that he cant 5-bet bluff pre and beeing this deep will make this much more likely than anything else.

problem is, he is playing against some huge donk, who will never cold 4-bet without a good hand.

that he layed down his hand means he thinks villian is some sort of big ABC-TAG fish.

What stakes was he playing in '09 and how deep was he and who was he playing against? 5bs have 1 value hand in this spot, and since he didn't bet bet bet I'm pretty sure he realized he didn't have hardly any bluffs in his range either/both hands were pretty face up.

Then again, this is the only hand I saw from the session so I could be off and they could have actually been playing poker. Really didn't seem like it in my 10 minute/1 hand sample though. Game seemed too big and too deep.

seiver has the button, colman is on the CO.

5-betting AK/KK wouldnt be awful in colman shoes. i think his big sizing is some sort of exploit because he thinks seiver is bad and has a valuehand here always.

what hands are best for bluffing in this spot not sure, but 5-betting a suited connector deep can never be really bad, as your villian has to fold a lot. thats of course just the case if you got a somewaht aggressive villian who is capable of cold4-bet bluffing, and it is a good spot to cold 4-bet bluff, as the original raiser opened in LP aswell and so deep oop you really have a hard time defending most hands.

i have one hand in memory where coleman 6-bet in a CO vs Bu scenario as a bluff and showed it, not sure what stakes.

Scott Seiver is definitely the number one high stakes tagfish around

wtf? please clarify

I think Seiver is pretty good. I mean he has a history of getting his opponents to openly tell him they have Aces, then fold. That's next level skill up there with ability to flop more sets, or always winning flips.

Yikes wtf this is bad all over the place. Please tell me Tobias is a pro?

Please everyone help me learn to get better, because I think I'm a station/fish.

I mean robl seemed to be opening the widest of the table, it seems plausible that seiver could think colman was 3betting robl just for dynamic. He flats the 5bet with something coordinated bc they are crazy deep.

Post, Colman takes the most inducing line possible. I like 3 c/cs better than the line he took if he is folding river. He should also probably just flat the 4, and call down most runouts if he's going to fold this river as played. 50k on the flop gets close to zero folds ever. I think seiver could def check back gutshots on the turn sometimes, assuming Colman is c/c, but if he knows that the river barrel is getting folds from EVERYTHING, and he's reasonably sure that Colman doesn't have kings based on timing/live tells/whatever, then I feel like his range is probably materially wider than just sets. If we wave a flag in front of a bull, we should probably be looking for a reason to call, I think.

That said, Seiver's reaction after the hand made it seem like he actually wanted a call, but who knows about that.

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/play...prize&dir=desc

he's had some good results

It seemed like Colman was playing too big when I watched the live stream. I certainly think it's reasonable to think he only has AA in his range.

Also afterwards Seiver said something along the lines of "you're right, I had it. I just don't have it in me to bluff for that much money when you're folding 100% of your range once you check."

Of course it's possible Scott had it, but against one of the ultimate sickos it seems like an overly tight exploit fold to m

results: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWuLntBw6M8

Thx.

Just out of curiosity, if someone in the know is willing to answer these questions:

1. Why are they playing like 800bb deep in such a line-up .. How is there an edge for Robl and Coleman, if you are OOP800bb effective vs a good pro(s) six out of seven times preflop? Newey doesn`t seem like the kind of guy who would make bad calls or punt a stack on a suicide bluff, actually he seems to be really good and respected for someone who is supposed to be the "amateur".
2. How much of their own money is on there table?

and on a side note:

I saw this Rick Salomon guy playing .. If he is a winner in these Hollywood Poker Games, then these Games must be awesome. He is probably super fun to play with, but at the same time he can`t be playing like this, even against amateurs, without having super tough swings.

What a box

doubt anyone has 100 percent of their action except for robl who has gone from TV nit to macau endboss