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I'm not used to turning quads. I'm not used to turning quads.

07-18-2023 , 11:40 PM
1/3 NL. The button has about 200 and I have him covered. He has been very loose. He calls the flop a lot but folds a lot of turns. I haven't seen him bluff. He seems pretty straight forward.

I open UTG with QsQc to 15 and only the button calls.

(30 pot) KcQd3c...I bet 20 and he calls.

(70 pot) KcQd3cQh.....Do I check and hope he takes a stab at the pot or catches a hand on the river that can pay me off? Do I bet small or big and try to make him pay if he has a draw or a King?
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07-19-2023 , 12:00 AM
I probably check here. Planning to call rather than raise.

If he checks behind, I'm planning on over bet jamming river and hope he sees me as FoS.
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07-19-2023 , 01:22 AM
Bet 20 again so he can keep drawing or paying off with a king.
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07-19-2023 , 02:12 AM
This is likely just a check. Hopefully he bets after we check.

He's not liking the Q unless he has 33. K3s is counterfeited. He now can't have KQ.


And we likely get paid whole stack if he's on a club draw and gets there. So the extra $20-$50 we make when he calls our turn bet (he's folding a lot of turns anyway) isn't a huge deal as we make up for it when he has clubs and gets there, or he has a K and rivers a boat.
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07-19-2023 , 11:33 AM
I limp in but that's me.

SPR is 6 and we has a set, so obviously we're committed and want to play for stacks. The board is quite drawy and we're up against an ABC / non-bluffy guy who calls the flop a lot. With this in mind, I think there is an argument to overbet the flop to setup a shove on the turn, so like $50 into $30 to setup a $135 shove into $130. My reasoning is to just target hands that are likely to continue (TP, any draw) and ignore hands that are unlikely to continue (underpair, no draw). On a more drawless board I'd be cool with smaller bets to play for stacks over 3 steets.

Against a ABC non-bluffer, I absolutely bet the turn. I'm still looking to setup a play for stacks by the river. So I'd probably go 1/2 PSB of $35. This is a reasonable bet (both in terms of size of the pot and relative $ for a 1/3 NL game) that we shouldn't lose any decent draws / Kx, which will setup a ~PSB shove for the river (which he might feel committed to if he hits).

ETA: I know we haven't had too many responses yet, but I'm a bit surprised so many are checking against a straight forward non-bluffer. He so often just checks behind his draws here (and obviously isn't paying off UI on the river) and so we're missing big value from those by not making a bet. The only time I'd ever consider checking here is against an aggrotard or if there is a possible BBJ in play (which there isn't on this board).

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07-19-2023 , 11:45 AM
I would keep betting, we're OOP what are we doing otr, checking it again? Just bet round 25 bucks rn. If he folds now, he's folding the river anyway.
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07-19-2023 , 06:01 PM
In general when we cbet the flop and the 2nd pair makes trips+ we want to check because we are mostly betting top pair and checking 2nd pair.
KQx is a bit weird in that AK is likely to 3bet pre. and even KQo "isn't a call" on the BTN vs. UTG. So there's some merit to betting AQ and even QJ on the flop.
Of course 1/2 or 1/3 I wouldn't be shocked if rando. V had KTo and happily called flop.


I also just check/call, because we have the nuts and the virtual nuts on every river.
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