Was I too passive here? KK in BB...did I miss a bet?
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 144
Ok typical 1/2 table, full of fishies, and few competent, but not great players. Five or six limps in front of me, I (cover) look down at KK (red) in BB and raise to 15. UTG (350) calls behind and CO(200) calls as well. 3 to flop, ~50 in pot. Flop comes AJ10, two clubs....first to act, I check, UTG checks and CO checks, turn 4x, I lead 30, UTG calls and CO folds....river 6clubs......hero?
Spoiler: I check river and villian checks back, sees my K"s and says, youre good and mucks. Anyways, is this river a bet/fold? Did I miss value on any street? I think my turn bet should be bigger and I like a B/F on the river in hindsight..... Based on my history, i believe that UTG had some sort of Jack here for 2nd pair on the board.
Let me know what you think. Thanks guys, I appreciate all feedback.
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,542
Break this out so I can read it...
PF - 5-6 limpers, Hero (BB) raise to $15, UTG calls, CO calls.
(Raise it to $20 here)
Flop - AJT two clubs
Ch, Ch, Ch
(Fine)
Turn: 4x
Bet out $30, UTG calls, CO folds
(Bet is fine, had you raised to $20 PF could have bet more)
River: 6 clubs
Ch,Ch
Question: Did you check so he could bet and you could fold or did you feel you were ahead and did not check because he might come over the top?
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 144
I checked because I didn't think I could call any raise, but as played, I had a lot of showdown value against a lot of his continuation hands on the turn.....I would call a bet as long as I couldn't sniff out real strength somewhere in there.
Looking back on it, I do like bet/fold to raise here, but I really am not sure TBH.
Edit: And thank you! I will write out my hands like this from now on.
Join Date: Aug 2008
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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*grunch*
With 5 or 6 limps in front, making the pot $15-$17, I probably go to $25 preflop. We'd rather have 1 caller than 2, but our real fear with a premium PP is getting 4-5 callers. (Actually your move looks like it was in tune with table dynamics, since you did _not_ get all those players seeing the flop.)
I woudn't check the flop, despite the A, unless I felt that I was exposing myself to some sort of play. Without details / reads on the two villains in the hand, I c-bet and expect to win right there.
As played, you've given 2nd pair great reason to think it's good on the turn, and with the general fishiness you describe, you can bet river for value, I lead 3/4 to 4/5 of the pot (which has not gotten huge), and I lay down my single pair to a river raise from a fish without feeling bad about it.