I am utg with about $200
Villain is UTG + 4 also $200

Villain is like 50/10/0, will call w wide range.

This is the 2nd hand I've played since this game began (about 30 minutes ago). The first hand I utg opened w AQ and folded on flop.

Preflop:
A A
I raise UTG to $8 (standard open was around $5 or $6)
called by 3 players

Flop: (pot $30)

2 4 6

Checks to villain who bets $20

I raise to $50
get called by Villain only


Turn 4 ( pot $130)

2 4 6 4

So my SPR is about 1:1

I shipped....

I see a fairly wide range he's calling with. basically any pair and very rarely a weak ace.

Am I correct in assuming that tens snap call my ship here too??

If hes a thinking player your line should look really strong and he should perceive your range to be exactly what is it. He might have the intention of calling the flop then folding the turn to a big bet. I suggest that you bet smaller on the turn to induce a shove from medium pps that might fold to a big bet. On the river just try and bet what you think he would call with one pair. If a 5 or a 3 peels I'd fold. If he thinks your really bluffy with big cards I might bet big just so an Q K or A doesn't hit the river and scare him away. If he wont 3 bet the flop with a set then its kinda tricky but overall your probably good.

I don't think a 50/10/0 is ever a thinking player.

This should be posted in the small stakes live nl forum, and the hand is a very well played one. NH.

I am utg with about $200
Villain is UTG + 4 also $200

Villain is like 50/10/0, will call w wide range.

This is the 2nd hand I've played since this game began (about 30 minutes ago). The first hand I utg opened w AQ and folded on flop.

Preflop:
A A
I raise UTG to $8 (standard open was around $5 or $6)
called by 3 players

Flop: (pot $30)

2 4 6

Checks to villain who bets $20

I raise to $50
get called by Villain only


Turn 4 ( pot $130)

2 4 6 4

So my SPR is about 1:1

I shipped....

I see a fairly wide range he's calling with. basically any pair and very rarely a weak ace.

Am I correct in assuming that tens snap call my ship here too??

No matter what the table standard is, $8 UTG isn't good with AA in 1/2 Live NL. You are guaranteed multiple callers by an undefined, wide range. There will be very few safe flops for your hand where you can discount anything from being in the mix for the aforementioned $8 raise. Make it more, or limp with the intention of limp/raising.

Otherwise, tha hand plays itself. Flop is fine, you could even make it more like $60 or $65 if you want. Turn, send it all in. Sorry you lost to some ridiculous hand.

make it 12 pre

fwiw i hink 77 also snaps here...well it would in my game..

PS, FYI: SPR is defined on the flop only, not on future streets

A couple of things.

Don't slow play over pairs on the flop with 3 other villains in the hand.
A c/r on the flop, based on you're the UTG says over pair.

- i don't like your check on the flop
- i am also amazed that you raise ONLY $8, and that the standard pre flop raises in your 1/2 game are that small. when i play i can make it 12 UTG and still get 3 callers.
- check/raise ship turn, is not a great line here. IMO if villains are any decent you will not be called by worse. I think KK/QQ usually 3bet pre, and overpairs 99 and lower prolly fold. you are really praying that JJ/TT calls. But, then again, against more clueless players you can still get value from worse i guess. Its a bad line, so I would just not get in the habit of it. check/raising overpairs on those types of flops multiway will end up working out really bad for you once you move up to where people have any clue.

my default would be to make it 11 pre and 3/4pot bet flop ( that actually keeps my range much wider, since i would do the same with AK, AQ, lower pairs, sets, 9Ts whateveer...)

Yeah, people who raise to $7 or $8 pre get tons of action. It triggers a cascade of calls by everyone who is now getting pot odds with 46 suited, etc. Raise to $11 UTG then add $2 for every limper if you are later position ... The key is your image as to what you're going to get called by. QQ, KK aren't folding this flop 95 percent of the time. If you are raising a lot, you may get called by even worse. Of course, you're also going to get stacked by the setminers here.

More pre cbet big

Start making your default open atleast 12 no matter what the table is doing. Just because they are doing it dosent mean its right.

C/R isnt good with a pocket pair. I like to use this for my draws and sets.

Lastly, please dont minraise.

Why is this thread here twice?

he didn't min-raise, he did 50 from 20. but still lol. agree with bolded.


also, you really raise $12 as standard? my standard at 1/2 is always $10. its easy 2 redbirds. 12 seems a bit more serious psychologically since its "whoa, more than 10". Its easy to tell the internet players because they always make it like 7 pre (and LIKE ONLY internet guys make it 5/6 pre). Also, internet players friggin love betting in odd amounts in spots where its not necessary - ie $16 or $22 c-bets. that tilts me SOOO MUCH.

Its all game dependent and how its going at the time. Generally when I play I can make it 15 and get 4 calls from UTG, but that might be an indication of how I play. If the table just opened and you are worried about not getting action by raising to like 12ish, I might just go for a limp re-raise and hope you get someone attached to a hand. As played I think you did fine getting it in on the turn here, because once you make that move and he just calls the flop no other bet really makes much sense.. unless you go for like a 50-60 bet looking to push every river.

Agree with those that say your c/r reveals too much strength and most likely shows an over pair since you were preflop raiser.

i agree, this is not a great flop to check/raise with AA

wow enough 1/2 should be talked about period if people are saying that raising to 4x bb is redic with aces. That means its just a ******ed game and you are simply trying to close pre like limit. BTW I have played 1/2 a lot live and do think it is worthless for good players. you simply must be rolled for 3/5 to play live and then it should be cake.

20 to 50.... it mine as well be a minraise in my book. alot of times if they will call 50, they will call 60, 65, 70.

and yes. i dont open for less than 12.

What in the name of God does this even mean

Should have C-bet this dry flop ... maybe C/R more wet flops, eh?

I don't care about showing this table (specifically this guy) my hand. I've seen him fold only a few hands -- and he'll show off bottom pair like the nuts, so I'm not concerned about telling him I've got a hand. He is still clueless.

IMO, $50 is the same as $70 (as you said) but with slightly less than 100bb's I wanted to either get 3b'd on the flop to shove, or leave a psb for the turn.

wat?




and thanks for the input.

Always thought SPR was simply a ratio....

are you asian?

NO, NO, NO... You DON'T wanna be 3balled on the flop. Unless villains are idiots, you should not get 3balled with worse.