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I play exclusively hu. What stakes can I likely beat in vegas, if any? I play exclusively hu. What stakes can I likely beat in vegas, if any?

11-14-2010 , 07:30 PM
8BB/100 over 200k hands at .25/.5
6BB/100 over 30k hands at .5/1

Only live experience is with the travesty that is LA live poker. Was a slight winner at bodog .5/1 full ring back in the day before I knew how to play.

I feel like once I get a feel for ranges preflop and in common spots I'll be ok. Am I way off here?
11-14-2010 , 07:32 PM
really depends on quite a bit.

are you bum hunting? Do you know how to adjust to fr?

If the answers are no and yes, then you could easily play 2/5 and maybe some 5/10.
11-14-2010 , 07:45 PM
Bumhunted for the first 50k hands or so, but now I play anyone. Unfortunately it is mostly bums who will play me. I tend to do best against overly aggressive, slightly winning regulars.
11-14-2010 , 08:09 PM
I'd probably start at 1/2 then, you're gonna have ot nit up your game alot, could be some major adjusting.
11-14-2010 , 08:21 PM
I know you are trying to help BGP, but given that you said yesterday that you have played HU 5 times, what makes you think you are qualified to answer this?

OP, it depends if you play HU because it is your highest EV game or because you don't have the skills for 6+ handed games.

Getting a handle on ranges is easy but the discipline required to exploit those ranges and 10 handed tables will kill you. At 1/2 you'll easily get away wit playing a suboptimal game. As you go up it is just a decreasing scale. You will almost certainly over value hands, position and your hand reading skills. Knowing somebody has a capped range is pretty meaningless if the are happy to call with the 24th nuts.

Basically, you will have the skills so it comes down to your personality as to how much you will be able to crush the games.
11-14-2010 , 08:24 PM
I still know the dynamics of both games incredibly well. I'm plenty qualified, he can listen to whoever he wants.
11-14-2010 , 08:25 PM
So you have played HU 5 times and know the dynamics incredibly well?

Legend.
11-14-2010 , 08:27 PM
Ah so you think you know what I study/have studied, and my abilities better than I do?

Legend.
11-14-2010 , 08:30 PM
DUDE, you will have to adjust. HU and FR are like completely diff games. I think you can win at 1/2 very EASILY but after adjusting for the completely different ranges.

But reading ability, which I'm guessing you have, will pretty much give you a huge edge. By the way, I suggest you look for deep >200BB games at 1/2 or 2/5 since you will have more edge deeper stacked and try to iso and get pots to be HU or 3way i guess...
11-14-2010 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Ah so you think you know what I study/have studied, and my abilities better than I do?

Legend.
No, I don't believe that. However, I do appreciate that the difference between study and application is enormous in poker, as in most pursuits.

I have a degree in economics and know next to nothing about it.
11-14-2010 , 08:39 PM
You will be fine. People are so bad at 1/2nl its really kinda funny.
11-14-2010 , 08:39 PM
well I know quite a bit about HU, and I know a ton about SSNL, probably more than you.

Given that he came to this forum, the FR forum and not the HU forum, he's clearly asking the people who are good at SSNL (IE me) what we think. Also given the fact that I play both live and online, I have friends who do both and play heads up and know wtf they're talking about, I feel that I'm qualified to answer.

What is your experience playing HU online?
11-14-2010 , 08:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
well I know quite a bit about HU, and I know a ton about SSNL, probably more than you.

Given that he came to this forum, the FR forum and not the HU forum, he's clearly asking the people who are good at SSNL (IE me) what we think. Also given the fact that I play both live and online, I have friends who do both and play heads up and know wtf they're talking about, I feel that I'm qualified to answer.

What is your experience playing HU online?
It has been my job for a considerable part of the last 4 years. From exclusively, to necessary part time, to "fun money". From .5/1 to 5/10. And an ill fated stint at HUSNGs.
11-14-2010 , 08:50 PM
Ah would love to look at some of your stats over those 4 years. Maybe make a well about what you're doing in SSNL etc. so I can ask you. Until then though, you can stop trolling every thread I post in and mind your own business. Kthx. It's been fun.
11-14-2010 , 09:06 PM
I'm not trolling. Simply disagree with the majority of your strat. If you look, you'll find threads where I expressly agree with your comments.

I'm not going to post my stats for your enjoyment. I am not a huge winner by the standards of people who play pro and have no problem admitting that. On the other hand, I've made more than $10k over each of the last 8 years (including every form of the game). Over the last 6 months my real job pays more per hour than HUNL for then first time ever. I'm not willing to spend the amount of hours required playing/studying to reverse this and as such will rely less and less on my poker winnings to finance my life. All this makes me extremely well positioned to comment on HU and LSSNL, since the latter is something I have always played regularly (since 2002) as something which is more fun and sociable than internet play. It is EASY to win at that level and doing something I enjoy and making money at the same time has always been beneficial to me in a number of ways. Through this time I've played regular casino and home games in Scotland, Spain, Vegas and Japan.

Hope this answers your questions.

Ross
11-14-2010 , 09:11 PM
I don't really care that you follow me around and look for any holes in my posts, feel free to. You usually just say "you're wrong but I don't know why" anyways, so it's not much of an issue to me. If you're going to say "you're not qualified to answer this" when in fact you're not qualified to know wtf I do and do not know, then I have a problem.

Quite frankly I don't care what your experiences are, I'm pretty sure of who the better poker player is given what I've read from you on this forum. But even then I don't really care, if you're a solid poker player or not, just post whatever you want to post. If the trolling continues to go in this direction I'll have to talk to a mod though. I'll determine what I am and am not qualified to answer, and you can do the same for yourself.
11-14-2010 , 09:14 PM
Just as an extra, having been around the internet full ring cash games from '02-'05 and making a bigger hourly rate than at an other point in my poker career has a lot of relevance to LSSNL at the moment.
11-14-2010 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
I don't really care that you follow me around and look for any holes in my posts, feel free to. You usually just say "you're wrong but I don't know why" anyways, so it's not much of an issue to me. If you're going to say "you're not qualified to answer this" when in fact you're not qualified to know wtf I do and do not know, then I have a problem.

Quite frankly I don't care what your experiences are
, I'm pretty sure of who the better poker player is given what I've read from you on this forum. But even then I don't really care, if you're a solid poker player or not, just post whatever you want to post. If the trolling continues to go in this direction I'll have to talk to a mod though. I'll determine what I am and am not qualified to answer, and you can do the same for yourself.
Why ask then?
11-14-2010 , 09:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
well I know quite a bit about HU, and I know a ton about SSNL, probably more than you.

Given that he came to this forum, the FR forum and not the HU forum, he's clearly asking the people who are good at SSNL (IE me) what we think. Also given the fact that I play both live and online, I have friends who do both and play heads up and know wtf they're talking about, I feel that I'm qualified to answer.

What is your experience playing HU online?
For clarity.

Your posts ITT here have about as much cohesion as your strategy advice.
11-14-2010 , 09:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
he can listen to whoever he wants.
This.

Was trying to show you the non egotistical thing to do: state your only qualifications so he knows why he should listen to you instead of saying "oh he's not qualified to answer" which you have no way of knowing or not knowing.



This has threadjacked this poor guy's thread way too long already. If you have any other comments feel free to pm me.
11-14-2010 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by masaraksh
DUDE, you will have to adjust. HU and FR are like completely diff games. I think you can win at 1/2 very EASILY but after adjusting for the completely different ranges.

But reading ability, which I'm guessing you have, will pretty much give you a huge edge. By the way, I suggest you look for deep >200BB games at 1/2 or 2/5 since you will have more edge deeper stacked and try to iso and get pots to be HU or 3way i guess...
This is the best answer in my mind. On the plus side, you'll be used to people calling with a wide range at 1/2 and 2/5. Your hand reading skills are most likely to be heads and shoulders above virtually everyone you run into. On the down side, you will have to get used to people having a far stronger range if you get to show down.

Since this thread has devolved in the a pissing contest, I'm going to lock it. This is no reflection on you, OP.
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