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In which I have a lucky turn and wish to extract value (/) In which I have a lucky turn and wish to extract value (/)

04-20-2011 , 05:29 PM
Villain - Casino reg, 50-ish usually seems to have a healthy stack. I used to think he was TAG, but two hands this session have caused me to change my opinion, including one where he won a big pot defending blind from button with J2s, led with the draw, c/c called turn and rivered a flush.

Hero - playing fairly tight after being card dead. Recently reloaded after going all in on a draw which I did not show (lost to pocket 3s). Since rebuying for $400 I have chipped up to about $500, mainly from semi-bluffs and have not shown down in a while.

Pre-flop: UTG straddles to $10. He is an aggro spewtard and also the one who called my pot sized all in with pocket 3s to bust me the first time.

Hero: calls straddle with 99. I am expecting spewtard to raise over the callers and then plan to 4-bet. This plan is foiled when MP raises to $35. Sadly, spewtard folds and I call.

Flop ($87) A68

I lead out for $45. Villain calls.

OK so this lead bet was not great. I thought from villain's POV, my most likely holding was either a big ace or a medium pocket pair. I donk bet to rep the ace figuring he may fold out a better hand and if he called or or raised I would give up on the hand. I hated folding with just one over and I figured there was no chance he would check back, so I wanted to set the price and take the initiative.

When he smooth called, I figured he most likely had something like JJ-KK or AJ, AT type of hand.

Turn ($177) 9

Hero?
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04-20-2011 , 05:41 PM
i love another bet here...something like 2/3 the pot. if he raises, shove. but villain could get it in ligh with a strong Ace, thinking he can steal or create good enough FE, for you to fold.
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04-21-2011 , 01:34 AM
If you're going to lead flop, I'd say 60 so you can 125 turn and 250-300 river. As played still 125
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04-21-2011 , 10:35 AM
does anyone ever go for a c/r here? if we check, we look like a weak A, or maybe a one pair/draw type hand looking to get to showdown. leading out probably folds out all of his pairs 10-K, and even if he checks back we are likely to get a street of value due to the turn weakness. betting here folds out all but the most stubborn V's. if he has a good A, we'll get two streets of value anyways.

I know that this may be a bit too FPS'y, but I don't see how leading here gets as much value as checking. just a thought for that side of the coin.
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04-21-2011 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by steady mobbin
does anyone ever go for a c/r here? if we check, we look like a weak A, or maybe a one pair/draw type hand looking to get to showdown. leading out probably folds out all of his pairs 10-K, and even if he checks back we are likely to get a street of value due to the turn weakness. betting here folds out all but the most stubborn V's. if he has a good A, we'll get two streets of value anyways.

I know that this may be a bit too FPS'y, but I don't see how leading here gets as much value as checking. just a thought for that side of the coin.
that was my first thought, but a check could be dangerous, when a straight card comes on the river and we are OOP. especialliy if he checks behind us OTT
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04-21-2011 , 10:54 AM
Thanks for the feedback. Results: I bet $90 and villain folded KK face up.
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04-21-2011 , 07:43 PM
Preflop: You should have raised when it was your first action. Planning to limp/raise 99 vs. a straddle and with your described table dynamics doesn't seem to be right. As played, when you call MP's raise the pot is $62 we immediately paying $25 creating a pot of $82ish after the drop? Being only 100bb deep I'm not sure I'm a fan of this preflop call. And this situation is even more the reason, why I advocate initially raising PF.

This is going to be a very tough hand to postflop OOP. Your opponent has a much wider actual hand range then your perceived range. Which means you are going to be playing guessing games a ton postflop and are going to get exploited.

Flop: I dislike leading here. Very few things work out well for you - Hands you beat fold, most Ax and TT+ peel one here. You are never really getting a fold from a better hand with this lead. Certain times you will be bluff raised off the best hand. You can't rep anything, your range doesn't have a ton of Ax in it, and would you really play Ax this way? There are only two combos of sets, and this is a horrible board texture to lead sets. So you can't rep anything.

check/folding, check/calling, check/raising are ALL WAY BETTER options then leading.

As to check/? which option is best is player dependent.

- Does your opponent 2barrell a lot, does he go for thin value a lot? If the answer to those questions is no, you might be able to check/call and then see a showdown cheaply by exploiting his passiveness despite posistion.

-If your opponent does 2 and 3 barell sometimes, can we c/r this flop or perhaps even consider c/c'ing down if he is very spazzy. Vs aggressive types of players both plays can have merit. Overall though, C/r'ing would be best against players who are somewhat AWARE they know to cbet this board texture, but they will play straightforward vs. a check raise.

- If your opponent is very good and balances, c/f'ing and just admitting you made a PF mistake might be the best play.

Honestly, it is very player dependent.

Turn: Bet the turn as played.
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