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05-08-2011 , 09:44 AM
Hero - SB - Lag image. Standard raise of 8-10 and whole table knows/expects a raise from me. - $300 stack.

V1 - UTG+2 - Seems like a solid player. I don't have much of a read on him at the moment, but he seems fairly ABC. $250 stack.

V2 - Button - Touristy pretty bad player. $150 stack.

UTG raises to 11. V1 Calls, 2 other callers, V2 calls. Hero calls from the SB with 2 2

Flop: 2 5 5

The initial raiser was tight, so I fully expect a c-bet. It ends up getting checked around.

Turn: 10

Now there are 2 flush draws out and I still expect to be good here.

Hero bets $27.

V1 Raises to $65.

2 folds - V2 calls.

V1 is fairly solid so I put him on a 5 or an overpair. A flush draw or 10 is possibly in his range, but unlikely given the fact my range can easily have a 5 in it. V2 can literally have anything here from a ten to a 5 to either flush draw. V1 has 140ish left, v2 has about 90 left. Pot is about 200 now, 230 if I call.

Since I'll be out of position on the river and have to bet it, should I just ship here and hope they're both on draws? Do I simply flat and let v1 bet the river to keep both villains in? Do I flat and bet the flush card hoping they hit? Do I fold to the V1's raise?

This thread is about maximizing value. I feel I have the best hand and would like to maximize the profit here. Sometimes the hard decision is maxing EV in situations like this and would like opinions. Thanks!
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05-08-2011 , 10:05 AM
I doubt vil1 has a 5. Since he is to original raiser's immediate left, I would expect this villain to bet flop with a 5 once the of raiser checks, unless he was sure the drool on the button will take a stab at it, so maybe

If either has a 5 and flush gets to river they may not pay you off
If either has a FD and river bricks they will not pay you off

Therefore I'd raise. Problem is a minraise looks so strong and a shove looks weak/spazzy and will surely get one of the vils to fold.
Still think shove given stack sizes
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05-08-2011 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by endodocdc
If either has a 5 and flush gets to river they may not pay you off
If either has a FD and river bricks they will not pay you off
Yup, my thoughts exactly. And there's about a 50% chance one flush draw will hit.
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05-08-2011 , 05:42 PM
What is this 5 way, got to bet the flop (Less than half the pot) imo either everyone folds or it gets vs. a 5 AND flush draws get priced in, hope they hit and you win enough to buy another car. If someone raises you on this flop it’s an easy all in. Given your table image as LAG your likely going to get calls from 10s+ Axh and any 5. All of which you dominate besides A4h and A3h. 5 2 would be a cooler.

As played you played it to the turn, all in. probably take it down 50% of the time and if they are drawing they are priced in even vs. an AI. Pocket 10s would be a cooler.

Spoiler:
V1 has 52 V2 has pocket 10s
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05-09-2011 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Xnr3p
What is this 5 way, got to bet the flop (Less than half the pot) imo either everyone folds or it gets vs. a 5 AND flush draws get priced in, hope they hit and you win enough to buy another car. If someone raises you on this flop it’s an easy all in. Given your table image as LAG your likely going to get calls from 10s+ Axh and any 5. All of which you dominate besides A4h and A3h. 5 2 would be a cooler.

As played you played it to the turn, all in. probably take it down 50% of the time and if they are drawing they are priced in even vs. an AI. Pocket 10s would be a cooler.

Spoiler:
V1 has 52 V2 has pocket 10s
I'm dominating any draw to the point of drawing dead. A 5 has a kicker out and a ten has 2 outs. I assume I have the best of it here and want to keep them both in.

Unfortunately I cannot get enough for a car given stack sizes
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05-09-2011 , 01:20 AM
A ten has 4 potential outs (but it's hard to put a random ten in either range).

shove.
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05-09-2011 , 01:21 AM
Shove and fistpump.
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05-09-2011 , 01:12 PM
Preflop looks fairly obvious (fairly nice setmining spot, even though we're OOP).

I might just donk the flop. There's a flush draw out there that could call and the flop is so low that a lotta pocket pairs will call as well. Plus it can easily look like we just have a small/medium pocket pair. Let's build that pot.

To be perfectly honest, solid ABC V1's raise on the turn scares the hell outta me. Do ABC players really raise two pair hands with the board paired; I mean, they're usually fairly scared of someone having trips. And this guy probably shouldn't show up with trips (A5s? really, the first guy to call the raise preflop?). Anyhoo, pot is just too damn large at this point; we've got two interested parties, at least of them is going to call our very reasonable shove here. Call me MUBSy, but I expect 55/TT a decent amount of times here, but I'm sure we make up for it with 5x hands or JJ who can't fold.

GmubsyG
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05-09-2011 , 01:47 PM
bet flop $35
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05-09-2011 , 02:44 PM
I bet flop 1/2 pot here to keep the draws in and I ship the turn as played. I get coolered sometimes here oh well, I am not in the habit of folding full houses on the turn at 125 effective BB.
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05-09-2011 , 05:53 PM
Thanks for the opinions. I definitely wasn't going to fold here.

Results below in the spoiler.
Spoiler:
Hero puts the raiser on a 5 or overpair and the second villain on a flush draw. I figure the second villain will call a shove and the raiser might fold, but would ship any river that misses the flush.

Hero raises All In. V1 folds what he claims was a 5. V2 calls and shows Ah Th. Board bricks and hero scoops.
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