Hang on a minute here. This is the real sqwerty12. I didn't post that and I contacted the mods a few days ago to tell them I have a PM in my outbox (to you I think) that I did not send. I have a reply from Mat Sklansky explaining what I need to do.

I'm not a scammer. I don't even know exactly what the scam is but obviously someone is using my account.

Mods,

how should I proceed from here. Please kindly advise

Actually I just checked again and it's to a username 'Keystothecity' not you. The message is now gone from my sent items but the email I received from Mat has it in there.

Sqwerty12 replies to my post here a few hours ago by PM?

Originally Posted by Markie123 View Post
Have 30K neteller EU or Skrill 30K USD

Want Stars

Pm me - 10K min.
hi pal,

i can help you out with 14.2k Stars for Skrill@xe

im coach/mod for pokerstrategy and made 6digits worth of swaps on 2+2. Please check my posting history for refs as you would have to send first (fine with 1-2 increments, also fine with escrow if you have any doubt).

please get in contact with me @skype "joachim.hofbauer82" if youre intrested

cheers

Well guess he was sending it to everyone then.

this is his bitcoin address

1N8fZk2d8A9iLkHYnebW77G4FfboysUjRz

David Hirst from Sydney, Australia

Please do not make any transfer deals with the sqwerty12 account. My account has been hacked.

I'm in no way tech savvy and have no idea what these trades are even about but for the last few weeks every time I open the 2+2 app on my iPhone it requires me to log in again (which it never used to do) so in hindsight presumably that's a red flag.

Yep that's me.

This is the email I sent with Mat's reply. He can verify it.





Have you changed your password since this happened? Besides notifying the person who received the pm, there's nothing else to do unless you want the account banned.

Mathew Sklansky
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
32 Commerce Center Dr. STE H-89
Henderson, NV 89014
(702) 547-1324


> To: x-forum-master@twoplustwo.com
> Subject: Online Form: Security breach?
> From: xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 04:55:41 -0500
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> xxxxxxxx
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> Hi
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> I just noticed someone other than myself has sent a PM from my account. The message was sent on 23Nov2015 at 3:27pm to a member called KeysoTheCity looking to trade SkrillUSD.
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> I don't know if someone as hacked into my account to do so but I didn't send this message.
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> Regards
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> David Hirst
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> sqwerty12

Yes yes, right after the scam after I posted. You snap replied when its 7am in Australia, so you the architect were just randomly awake to suddenly snap reply to a post accusing you of being a scammer

Sure the timezone doesnt make any sense.

Listen...if you really want to know about my 2+2 habits and how I go about my life I'll explain them to you.

I wake up at 6-7am most mornings because, yes I am an architect, and I go to work. I was lying in bed as I do most mornings, I picked up my phone, flicked 2+2 on and went to 'latest' threads and the 'participated' tab and noticed a thread I don't remember ever posting in (ie. this one) at the top of the list.

So while this may seem extraordinary to you it's really not that outrageous to me. Not every poker player sleeps in to 3pm, some like me get up in the morning, feed their kids breakfast, take them to school, kiss the wife and head off to work.

If you really want to go full sleuth on me I'm sure you can find out everything you need to know because I know how good the 2+2 detective network can be when they sniff out a potential scammer. Personally I'd prefer if you didn't go down that path because I'd rather not have all my details smeared across the internet (not that I think I have much to hide).

FWIW I don't have much to do with anyone on 2+2 in the real world. I did however stake a kid this week for the first time in my life for 10% in a live $330 tournament and met him at the Star Casino here in Sydney on Tuesday night to give him the cash. I even gave him some markup because he didn't have change. No doubt you can find his thread in the PG&C forum in which I've posted. Maybe he'll vouch for me (or maybe you'll just interpret that as my way of providing some sort of alibi). No doubt you'll be able to get to the bottom of it.

Either way, like I said in response to the PM of yours I just replied to....I'm sorry this has happened to you and good luck.

Lets talk on the phone to clarity this then, PM me your skype

Right now I'm driving to work. I don't use Skype. I'll pm my phone number.

Your bitcoin address ip shows Sydney, Australia. Enough said

What does that mean?

Call me. I don't even know what you're talking about.

OK so rather than send me threatening PM's just call me now. I'll be in the office in 10 minutes and won't have time to talk then.

As I said I don't use Skype and I don't know the first thing about Bitcoin or skrill and whatever else you're talking about.

Based on these posts, is this the order of events?

You notice someone hacked your Skype and is sending out suspicious PMs
You contact Mat Sklansky
Someone accuses you of being a scammer
You non-chalantly point out that the Skype username isn't yours, not mentioning that your account was hacked
Upon further accusations, you finally mention you were hacked
Even later, you suggest that people not do trades with you

The line you should have taken:

You notice someone hacked your Skype and is sending out suspicious PMs
Post in the thread to notify people you've been hacked and not trade with you
Send another PM to the people that your "hacker" contacted clarifying you've been hacked
Change password
Contact Mat Sklansky

Based on what I'm seeing here, or you're either a complete moron, a scammer, or both. In either case, seems the most reasonable thing would be for you to send 10 btc to the man who has been scammed. Even if you're not the scammer, this could have all been avoided had you not been so careless.

OK this is the real sqwerty12 again. My account has now been banned which is understandable to protect you guys but also annoying for me particularly since I couldnt respond anymore in this thread.

This account is an old one I used years ago when there was a 2+2 wide hacking scam so anyway......

I'm typing this in an iPhone now because I can't even open 2+2 on my desktop so I want to be brief.

In response to you. Your chain of events is just plain wrong. I am not a moron and I'm definitely not a scammer. I must say it's interesting to be on the other side of one of these threads for once.

Firstly.....I don't use Skype. That nonchalant post you mention about Skype was not from me. It's from the hacker. My first post was the one where I start defending myself. I didn't say my Skype was hacked. It's my 2+2 account that is hacked.

Secondly. I rarely use PM's as I have no personal contacts on 2+2. The only reason I noticed that message in my sent items is because I have just been in contact with a guy I bought a piece of in a $330 tournament this week. You can read his thread in PG&C and see my involvement. I have no interest in staking people but agreed to do it that instance and bought 2 bullets for $66. I met him at the tournament and gave him his money. This is irrelevant to this thread but I'm just explaining it here to demonstrate why I actually looked at my sent items. I hadn't heard back from the guy in a couple of days and was wondering if I had actually sent it.

Thirdly- when I saw the message in my outbox I was definitely surprised by it and contacted the mods straight away. I got the reply from Mat saying he couldn't do much about it and I can have my account closed if I want. Because i didn't want it closed I didn't do anything.

Regarding the content of that message to KeysToTheCity. I didn't even understand what it was talking about. Obviously a trade of some sort but since there was no reply from Keys I didn't think much of it. I didn't go searching for what it related to DJs I had no idea about this thread.

I get it that you high stakes guys probably deal with this sort of stuff all the time but I don't. I have no interest or need to trade anything and I know very little about it. You say I should pay this guy 10btc. Presumably that's bitcoins. I don't even know how much a Bitcoin is worth, what it is or how I would use it.

You probably think because I have 5000 posts on this forum that everything I'm saying is BS and that I should just know this stuff but the fact is I have no interest or need to use any of this stuff you're talking about and I've never looked in this thread before today.

Just because I'm a 2+2 tragic with 5000 posts doesn't mean I'm a 20 year old poker pro who's up to speed with all the stuff going on here. Go read the threads I post in. I'm sure kingsonpoker has. Do you really think I fit the profile of a scammer? I'm 49 years old with a wife and kids who lives poker and enjoys 2+2.

The only reason I'm responding passionately here is because I'm pissed off my account is now closed, I have no ability to respond to anything other than through this account thankfully and I've got this kingsonpoker guy sending me PM's to an account I now can't access threatening me to sort it out or he'll expose me and set his goons onto me.

I feel bad for the guy and he's obviously coming out of this worse than me but take a step back and look at it from my perspective. At worst I'm guilty of not escalating this once I saw that sent message (which to be honest was an extreme coincidence that I did). And even then what could I do? At the time I thought I could send a message to Keys but since he hadn't responded I just assumed there was nothing more to it.

I get it that I'm to be treated with suspicion as a result of all this. I've read enough 2+2 threads to understand how things work around here but there's not much I can do and I don't think there's a whole lot I can be accused of. I had no messages in either my in or outbox to or from kingsonpoker before today. Clearly the hacker is deleting them as he goes. The only message that was there was the one to Keys which never had a reply.

I sent my phone number to Kings but he hadn't contacted me. I'm happy to chat.

I don't know what more I can tell you but I'm happy to respond if it helps.

Also just re-reading your suggested course of events. I didn't post in this thread warning people because I didn't know of this thread. The only reason I found it is because it appeared at the top of my 'participated' threads list this morning.

As to warning everybody that PM's went out there was only one in my outbox - to Keys. There is nothing to the other guy in this thread that says he received one (Markie?) Or to anyone else. I don't know who he sent them to but having flicked through a few posts now in this thread I can see he seems to have sent them to people who said they'll pay first.

Not that I can check any of this anymore now that my account has been closed.

Also to the mods-

I don't know what your usual course of action is for a forum member from a compromised account (my sqwerty12 account) reappearing under a new account (ie. this account) but I'm assuming it's ok.

I'm only doing so so I can respond in this thread.

Knowing this is a highstakes thread I just googled 'Bitcoin' to see what they are, what they're worth and what you're actually suggesting is fair and reasonable.

Seriously.....you guys live in a different world to me.

Seems obvious to me kingsonpokers due dillagence was severly lacking here.

I simply searched the latest threads sqwerty made and found this thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...arkup-1429499/

Anyone who is doing these trades should be doing these simple checks and when a Skype name has no relation to the person your meant to be trading with its a clear red flag.

Sqwerty clearly owes him zero and kingsonpoker should do his homework better.

our (mods) normal plan is to immediately perma-ban any account once it's compromised in any way - partially to minimize the chance of compromised accounts being used to set up scams.

i would guess that mat sklansky - as the head of the whole site - isn't quite as familiar with our specific hsnl xfer thread procedures here - i will run this by him to double check on stuff.

we try to keep noobs and new traders out of this thread, so that it's just for people with lots of previous trading experience/high rep etc. i was just getting ready to delete kingsonpoker's original post and then i scrolled down to see all of the scam/aftermath stuff. part of the reason we try to keep new folks out of here is to protect them as well as the community.

however, we can't protect everyone, especially if people aren't using best practices. here, both sides can do things a lot better in future (stronger internet security knowledge and precautions, more verification and skepticism when setting up a trade, etc). you guys will both likely be targets again in the future (that's how the scammers operate) so i suggest you work extra hard to be safer and more careful going forward.

sqwerty - usually we are okay with people making a brand new account once we've banned their old one for being compromised. i'm more than a little worried that the account you're currently on could have already been compromised as well, or is at risk in the future. my inclination is to ban it as well. i'd be fine with you making a brand new account and putting 'formerly sqwerty12' in the 'location' section if you wanted to.

i'll send you and kingsonpoker a PM as well. feel free to message me with any questions or post em here in the thread. sorry this happened to both of you.

Couple of points

- It was my fault also without carry out due dilligence

- But sqwerty12 actually replied 4 mins after I posted on the thread about him being a scammer and it was like 6am or something at that point in Australian. So a Architect who by default who has a day job was just waiting on forums ready to clear his own name

- sqwerty12 said he suspected someone was using his account days ago claiming that was messsages sent to me. When in fact it was only sent probably like an hour ago at the point of posting. There seems to be too many panick answers on his part.

"Hang on a minute here. This is the real sqwerty12. I didn't post that and I contacted the mods a few days ago to tell them I have a PM in my outbox (to you I think) that I did not send. I have a reply from Mat Sklansky explaining what I need to do.

I'm not a scammer. I don't even know exactly what the scam is but obviously someone is using my account."

- why is a guy having so many multiple accounts in the first place?

- also when he first replied to the allegations he said
"This is not my skype?!" and he subsequently claims that he does that a skype account
- I understand there was at least one more poster (Markie123) who received a similar type of message and sqwerty12 could just easily claim that his account got hacked and try to pull this off on other posters without any repercussion.

- Mods is it possible to track the ip address logged in when the PMs were sent? It could tell a lot if the ip locations are actually the same

Have 3k PP USD
Want WF,CQP,Venmo

Plenty of confirmed trades and BigBad can vouch for me.

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Edit/MH: See http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=36303