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10-01-2010 , 10:24 PM

Rampage_Jackson

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Villain is DaRossman.

CRAI turn? This QQ too much to call riv?

Poker Stars $600.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+2: $613.75
MP1: $621.90
MP2: $583.95
CO: $374.10
BTN: $432.50
SB: $724.00
Hero (BB): $600.00
UTG: $453.75
UTG+1: $619.20

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with 9

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $15, UTG+2 calls $15, 1 fold, MP2 calls $15, 3 folds, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($63.00) 7

(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets $48.00, MP2 folds, Hero calls $48, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($159.00) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $127.00, Hero calls $127

River: ($413.00) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $423.75, Hero ?

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10-01-2010 , 10:50 PM

jimmyvjv13

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call and rep 7777

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10-02-2010 , 12:11 AM

notontilt09

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who's utg+1, need to know how likely daross is to flat AA pre

probably a fold either way

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10-02-2010 , 01:32 AM

Rampage_Jackson

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Originally Posted by notontilt09

who's utg+1, need to know how likely daross is to flat AA pre

see if you can guess first try...

Spoiler:

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10-02-2010 , 01:44 AM

notontilt09

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it's pretty much just a leveling spot. From his point of view, only hand you can call with is 77, so he should turn everything into a bluff. Problem is there's only 1 hand (KK) that could even consider doing this.

But then against he bet flop 2nd to act into a bunch of people on this board after flatting me pre, so it's just going to be QQ. Maybe even c/f turn???

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10-02-2010 , 01:50 AM

Rampage_Jackson

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Originally Posted by notontilt09

Yea, that's true to a certain extent, it's just that if he gets to this river I doubt many players thought process is, well he has 7x here a lot and is going to always fold because I rep QQ.

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But then against he bet flop 2nd to act into a bunch of people on this board after flatting me pre, so it's just going to be QQ. Maybe even c/f turn???

I don't really like a c/f turn, because I think AQ/KK/AA might be in his range, and I picked up a flush draw. If he bets the turn I don't think his range is nearly as polarized as it for shoving the river... basically too hard to put him on exactly QQ because of the turn bet.

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10-02-2010 , 02:32 AM

ChicagoJoey

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fr..... not the nuts.........easy fold

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10-02-2010 , 12:14 PM

Penguinz21

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What's your image though? I mean - your range to get to the river has to look super-strong. Especially when you overcall a small EP open in the BB behind two callers - seems like you have way more 7x than Qx that calls twice. I just don't know how many FR players that can read hands would try bluffing the river here. That being said, if you fold 7x here all the time, that can make this hand pretty easy to play for villain.
OP, you said in your last post that you don't like a fold on the turn partly because you have a FD... how does that change anything in this hand? I mean. If river is As, you're calling?

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10-02-2010 , 01:10 PM

Rampage_Jackson

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Originally Posted by Penguinz21

What's your image though? I mean - your range to get to the river has to look super-strong.

Yea, I mean my line looks really strong here, which is why I thought it was a fold.

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OP, you said in your last post that you don't like a fold on the turn partly because you have a FD... how does that change anything in this hand? I mean. If river is As, you're calling?

I guess it only matters if he can have a seven here too... for the most part it's irrelevant though.

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10-02-2010 , 02:22 PM

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vinivici9586

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you're at the top of your range and the bottom of your range, so its neutral ev

kidding. good fold.

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10-02-2010 , 04:59 PM

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ferdinand bardamu

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How come when I try to 3xbarrell everyone every time they never fold?

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10-02-2010 , 05:14 PM

#12

so sick bro

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things to consider:

MP2 and CO are fish that just joined the table within the last few hands and seemed like they were splashing around

WPR plays very tight and from my POV will rarely have a 7

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10-02-2010 , 09:43 PM

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notontilt09

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based on that it seems that you should bluff here always, but the flop action makes it super unlikely you're ever purely bluffing here.

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10-03-2010 , 08:27 PM

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SecondChance

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Guess ppl in this thread have never heard of AQ AK or pure spew

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10-03-2010 , 10:09 PM

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DoubleFly

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if u had 76, I *might* consider a fold, but not w 97.

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10-03-2010 , 10:31 PM

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Penguinz21

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Originally Posted by DoubleFly

if u had 76, I *might* consider a fold, but not w 97.

lol this.

Do you think villain ever flats 7x in this spot pre? Obv sucks to call for a chop, but it's a pretty easy shove if you do have 7x in this spot.

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10-03-2010 , 10:31 PM

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Deanglow

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He bets turn and shoves riv with AQ right?!?!?!

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10-03-2010 , 10:45 PM

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SecondChance

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Originally Posted by Deanglow

He bets turn and shoves riv with AQ right?!?!?!

Obv which is why its such an easy call....also A is the perfect bluff cardm. Not sure why this hand was posted...

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10-04-2010 , 04:24 AM

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lucknotskill

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omfg second chance--you're just on such a sick level its awesome. Like 3/4 of your posts are either totally misguided or straight up levels. A is the perfect bluff card? come on what are you talking about? it helps vil rep one hand only.

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10-04-2010 , 10:55 AM

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KakiTee

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yeah this was a weird hand to post, i just figured wpr was gonna tell us he actually had JJ, and left the thread alone.

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10-04-2010 , 11:40 AM

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DonkeyFishFight

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This thread shows why FR is no fun. Only hand you call call with being quads? REALLY? Are people really THAT nitty that he can't be betting AQ for value here or be bluffing with something, ever?

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10-04-2010 , 01:11 PM

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nighthawk2123

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Originally Posted by DonkeyFishFight

This thread shows why FR is no fun. Only hand you call call with being quads? REALLY? Are people really THAT nitty that he can't be betting AQ for value here or be bluffing with something, ever?

lol, so true

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10-04-2010 , 08:21 PM

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TNHanh1228

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Can't he be trying to get you to fold a stubborn TT or something?

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10-04-2010 , 08:25 PM

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FullTiltIronMan

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I would call the all-in.

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10-04-2010 , 08:28 PM

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Rampage_Jackson

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lol you people who don't play full ring mid stakes at all, and are saying obv call

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