lol at button's range being JJ+, AQ+

it's difficult to say whether the types of hands that we are likely to limp with from UTG (small PP's, some suited cards, etc.) will show more of a profit if we l/c here against this villain than if we take OP's line. since these hands have good IO multiway. the only reason i might consider the move OP made is to scoop the nit's dead money, since he contributes little to our implieds and we have high FE from him here.

actually i didn't read this before posting. i think this is the right analysis. we would prefer to make this move with the top of our limp/folding range, if we had one. many of us probably don't have a limp/folding range from UTG (unless obviously there is a 3bet or 4bet scenario), so in that case we prefer to make this move with the bottom of our limp/calling range from UTG.

so suited connectors and suited Ax > small PP's > medium PP's

for making this move.

a2-a5s is far better than SC btw

1/2 full ring online and 2/5 5/10 live... and usually found on the leaderboard at FTP when the damn PTR does their job (which they dont most of the time). Online players adjust?, some of them yes, but it goes back and forth. We adjust and re-adjust (some players good enuff to). But live poker, no. Hardly anyone adjusts. This YIP is most likely raising weak limpers with about any two that look decent as i do live and online. Thats why we win so much with heros play here cause we take down the 30 + limpers + blinds soooo much. Thats where the profit is. But.....its so rare that it is insignificant really.

But obviously cannot be done but here and there vs same players. And honestly discussing these rando plays arent worth much. Its the plays that com eup over and over that really make a difference at the end of the day.

Since we are always polarized blue, i will add the counterpart. To me, limp 3 betting suited connectors vs medium pairs (55 66) is not a better choice at all.

Check the equity of 55 vs a shoving range or 87ss vs a shoving range and see which fares better. About 5% better actually. Plus 55 will win unimproved a LOT vs AK AQs AQ KQs etc.

Thats just my polarized thought.

55 has 5% more equity, but if you take your Ace out of the deck he has hands that can shove far less often.

Wow. I'm surprised there would be so much discussion on this play. As the OP, I'll make a few points. I don't ever limp UTG w small sc or Ax suited. I do , however, maybe 5% of the time, limp AA or KK there if there is a lot of aggression behind me. Even though in that case the play would help balance the limp UTG range, that was not my objective because only one player here was a reg and most would prolly not ever get to see me limp UTG with anything again seeing I do it so rarely.
As I am trying to make the shift from playing recreationally to supporting some of my living expenses I have revisited and rethought my whole game. Most recently, I listened to the interviews with Limon and Bobby Hoff on the DC podcast. At some point in the interview both of these pro's, old and new, echoed the same thing. They are constantly scouring the table for spots to pick up $$. Looking for weakness, over aggression, dead money, etc.. That point really stuck in my mind when this hand came up. I did not premeditate to limp 3b with the 55 but after the raise by the LAG on the button and over call by the rock in the blind I saw a great opportunity to pick up $65 dead money (which I did).
Next question. I did not show the 55. Do you think I should have? I almost never show but after this hand I thought it may have been a good spot so I can get called lighter UTG or even to tilt the LAG.

i completely missed that BB was a rock. I would not squeeze that situation. I would never show that hand either. Showing is almost never correct unless its with a specific purpose in mind.

are we calling if button shoves here? i think we need about 39% equity against the LAG villain's shoving range. with 55, we have 20% equity against overpairs and about 50% equity against overcards, so basically about half of his shoving range here would have to be overcards, with the other half overpairs, for a breakeven call. can we range the LAG villain that way? i'm not convinced he shoves overtop of hero (who has "been playing TAG" and has been card dead for 1 hour) with AQ and such very often when hero has l/rr'ed.

I would have never posted this hand. Limp reraise vs a rock with 55. How is that money ever dead. I don't think its spew, but is a risky play. Your argument is its for balance with KK and AA limp reraise. Not a good strategy, I think its funny when people do this. When I first started off I used to do this. Then when I found 2+2 I found out that's a amateur move. Bloating the pot oop is just not a good idea Vs LAGs. Op you will learn these weak strategy's will get exploited. The comp gets way tougher, AA is just a pair its not the nuts. Pairs are loser's to the river.

Example. Hero UTG with AA limps, Co Ak limps, internet kid on the button raises to 30. Hero shoves, co calls,internet kid calls with 98 of spades. Catches runner runner 2 pair. If the hand would have went raise,call,call. 98 would have folded flop. Moral of the story don't play hands like this, recipe for disaster.

CaliDonks, I don't get your post. First off, the preflop raiser was a LAG, who is going to raise a very wide range on the Button. The BB flat calling tells us he has big cards or a smaller pair. He's more than likely going to fold to our raise, being OOP facing a move that when used at LLSNL is AA about 85% of the time. If he does decide to take a stand with AK we are flipping.

As for your example hand, if I have AA I don't want 98s folding, I want him all-in. That is why Limp RR works well against aggro's, because they like being the initial raiser, and you raising from UTG is going to chase them away. Besides, anyone who calls two all ins with 98s is dumb.

Barring the rock in the BB. If he wasnt there, then heros play is huge EV. Just check it out. Put numbers on it. A YIP like the button will iso weak limpers with a range high as 12%. (mine would be much higher)

Im going to say that the button range for shoving will be JJ+ AK AKs and AQs (half the combos)
Thats 3.2% range

So hero wins the dead money literally 88% the time. And the one time in ten villain shoves, hero is about neutral EV stacking off vs that range. Its such a huge EV play that its crazy. Its a tiny bit off since limpers do wake up with hands like AA some, but very very little.

The rock flatting though............im outta there.


Note: Its also thru that limping basically anything with this guy on button is a leak.

i think i agree with all of that except LAG villain's stacking off range. i think AQ is not in there at least

tI think if the YIP is real aggressive we can cound on a shove with AQs suited a lot. AQo is a toss up.

Point is, we have put him in a push fold situation.